SENATE BILL: End Corporate Education Act of 2013 (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I have an amendment:

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[Goldwater]

As a supporter of school vouchers, I don't think there is a way I can support this.

[TNF]

Amendment is friendly.

Atlasia should not be in the business of promoting schools other than those we fund with out tax dollars already.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Education is not my strong suit, but bear with me here...


If we ban vouchers entirely, how will we handle situations where a national emergency and/or lack of a public school in an area occurs and vouchers are needed to educate some kids? For example, vouchers were used heavily during the Hurricane Katrina aftermath when thousands were relocated. I have always never fully understood the program anyway.

Maybe I need to offer an amendment?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't like a blanket policy like this at all. The amendment improves it some but I think a region or a locality should make the decisions regarding how to spend there money and removing responsbility over such important matters will only decrease interest and involvement in local government.

As for the education itself, there are situations where I can vouchers can be positive, for instance if the local school is in transition but still failing or underperforming, it isn't right to sacrfice a whole class while changes are being made. They thus can provide some flexibility without such coming at the cost of the students.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has been adopted.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Do tax credits for education count as "vouchers"?  How about Pell Grants and the like?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Do tax credits for education count as "vouchers"?  How about Pell Grants and the like?

Not from my understanding of the bill, if they do then that should be changed with an amendment.

[TNF]

Do tax credits for education count as "vouchers"?  How about Pell Grants and the like?

No, because those aren't vouchers.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Do tax credits for education count as "vouchers"?  How about Pell Grants and the like?

No, because those aren't vouchers.

What is the difference?  How would you define a voucher?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Instead of banning vouchers entirely, why not look at charter schools? I am all for a strong public education system, and I am fine with private schools as well as long as you can afford to go there. I have always been wary of the voucher program, but it does have its benefits when private schools are the only option in some areas, and as I stated above, and it helps in areas when situations arise when attending public school is not an option.

Charter schools have never made sense to me. They are publicly funded schools that operate on their own and I believe require no one pay tuition. As the bill is written now, that blankly bans all vouchers, I would have trouble signing it, but I think I can offer some type of amendment in a bit.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I have an amendment coming, but I need to work on it a bit.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

We still need to add a provision allowing federal funds to be used in cases of national emergency like when thousands were relocated during the Katrina disaster. Vouchers were used during that time to school a lot of the children that couldn't go to the public schools in the area.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I will oppose banning charter schools for same reason I oppose banning vouchers (see above).

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I oppose banning charter schools.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We still need to add a provision allowing federal funds to be used in cases of national emergency like when thousands were relocated during the Katrina disaster. Vouchers were used during that time to school a lot of the children that couldn't go to the public schools in the area.

So were charter schools don't you know?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I still haven't seen any clarification of what constitutes a voucher. Without that this bill is unworkable.   If you are going to ban something you have got to have some idea of what it is exactly you are banning.

Motion to table.

[President Tyrion]

I still haven't seen any clarification of what constitutes a voucher. Without that this bill is unworkable.   If you are going to ban something you have got to have some idea of what it is exactly you are banning.

Motion to table.

OBJECT

You're behaving rather counterproductively. Google the word "voucher." Second result:

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Happy?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Well that's a start.  Motion withdrawn.  There is still the question of why a Pell Grant would not be considered equivalent to a certificate of funding.

[TNF]

Well that's a start.  Motion withdrawn.  There is still the question of why a Pell Grant would not be considered equivalent to a certificate of funding.

Because a grant =/= a voucher.

This is a nonsense discussion.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

amendment:

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[TNF]

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