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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: January 18, 2014, 11:56:38 AM »

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/15/bob-goodlatte-abortion-jobs_n_4604169.html

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2014, 12:04:23 PM »


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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2014, 12:42:24 PM »

Surprised this wasn't a Gohmert.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2014, 12:51:53 PM »

It's not really the reason why anyone is actually going to vote for this, but he's almost certainly right. Having more kids would indeed increase the demand for children's services. This is essentially the same argument you'll occasionally here people give in favor of immigration reform, that population growth causes job growth. Whatever else it may also cause, this is almost certainly true.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2014, 12:54:47 PM »

I'm pretty sure he's trolling the Democrats for using that fact that this bill isn't 100 percent focused on economic matters as an argument against it. I mean, that is a particularly ridiculous argument, is that's what the Democrats were saying.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2014, 01:02:36 PM »

I'm pretty sure he's trolling the Democrats for using that fact that this bill isn't 100 percent focused on economic matters as an argument against it. I mean, that is a particularly ridiculous argument, is that's what the Democrats were saying.

Well, if the Republicans keep insisting that all they want to do is provide jobs...
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2014, 01:12:48 PM »

I'm pretty sure he's trolling the Democrats for using that fact that this bill isn't 100 percent focused on economic matters as an argument against it. I mean, that is a particularly ridiculous argument, is that's what the Democrats were saying.

Well, if the Republicans keep insisting that all they want to do is provide jobs...

That is true, although that approach can easily be flipped to the Republicans querying President Obama on why he's endorsing moves towards a higher minimum wage when, during his re-election campaign, he was constantly commenting on how his 'number 1 priority was the middle-class', or somesuch. Its an approach that doesn't really help anyone and just gets irritating.
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2014, 01:14:53 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2014, 02:35:53 PM »

I'm pretty sure he's trolling the Democrats for using that fact that this bill isn't 100 percent focused on economic matters as an argument against it. I mean, that is a particularly ridiculous argument, is that's what the Democrats were saying.

Well, if the Republicans keep insisting that all they want to do is provide jobs...

That is true, although that approach can easily be flipped to the Republicans querying President Obama on why he's endorsing moves towards a higher minimum wage when, during his re-election campaign, he was constantly commenting on how his 'number 1 priority was the middle-class', or somesuch. Its an approach that doesn't really help anyone and just gets irritating.

Well, at least some economists think that a higher minimum wage will help the economy overall. No serious economist thinks that restricting abortion will help the economy.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2014, 04:58:13 PM »

It's not really the reason why anyone is actually going to vote for this, but he's almost certainly right. Having more kids would indeed increase the demand for children's services. This is essentially the same argument you'll occasionally here people give in favor of immigration reform, that population growth causes job growth. Whatever else it may also cause, this is almost certainly true.

Having more kids will increase unemployment in 18 years, too.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2014, 06:27:47 PM »

It's not really the reason why anyone is actually going to vote for this, but he's almost certainly right. Having more kids would indeed increase the demand for children's services. This is essentially the same argument you'll occasionally here people give in favor of immigration reform, that population growth causes job growth. Whatever else it may also cause, this is almost certainly true.

Having more kids will increase unemployment in 18 years, too.

It only will if those additional children are less economically productive and/or demand less goods and services than would be expected. We still can't discount the reality that having more people also means more work is required to produce the goods and services they consume. There may be some additional economy of scale that would require proportionally fewer workers to produce more, but at the very least the other workers would be more productive. Also, the assumption that an immediate stimulus will not improve the fiscal situation in the future might be a bit ambitious, especially given it doesn't require the government taking out a loan.

But Goodlatte never argued every single possible effect of abortion was bad for the economy, he only said that fewer abortions would create more jobs, at least in the linked article. Whatever other conclusions you draw from it to attack him are putting words in his mouth.

The economic arguments in favor of abortion primarily come down to the idea that the children who would be born without them are statistically more likely to be impoverished and/or criminals (which I might add sounds like a mighty good argument against immigration as well...).

I think at the end of the day, these are all sort of beside the point. No one, except maybe some particularly autistic econ student somewhere actually determines what policy we should have on abortion based on stimulus in child care sectors or unemployment two decades from now.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2014, 07:50:05 PM »

It's not really the reason why anyone is actually going to vote for this, but he's almost certainly right. Having more kids would indeed increase the demand for children's services. This is essentially the same argument you'll occasionally here people give in favor of immigration reform, that population growth causes job growth. Whatever else it may also cause, this is almost certainly true.

Yeah, they buy a bunch of diapers and bottles for a year or two (hooray for Johnson & Johnson and Procter & Gamble, I guess), then their bundle of unwanted joy becomes a giant sink for public money for things like K-12 education and perhaps healthcare.

Having children is not an economically productive activity, particularly when those children are being had at the bottom end of the socioeconomic spectrum.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2014, 01:56:13 PM »

Tax penalties for choosing a private cover plan with abortion in it?

Spiteful, and definitely not a 'job creator.'  Try harder, boys...
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