TXCD Memorial Thread

[TX Conservative Dem]

I just said that Tucker doesn't resign, but gets impeached and removed from office.

On Huckabee: he runs for the White House in 2008, but loses to McCain, who taps him as VP.

I also got Win Paul Rockefeller winning election to the United States Senate in 2004.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I just said that Tucker doesn't resign, but gets impeached and removed from office.

On Huckabee: he runs for the White House in 2008, but loses to McCain, who taps him as VP.

I also got Win Paul Rockefeller winning election to the United States Senate in 2004.

It's all subtle inanities. How does Clinton's presence for one more term affect these?

[MATTROSE94]

Maybe Bill Clinton would have more bragging rights about being a successful and long-serving governor, but that's probably it.

[TX Conservative Dem]

California Governor Pete Wilson (R) faces off against Lieutenant Governor Gray Davis (D) in 1998 showdown, as it becomes the most ugliest, nastiest campaigns ever on both sides.

How do y'all think it would turn out ?

[Indy Texas]

Long-term statewide Democratic trend + generally bad climate for Republicans = Davis beats Wilson

[TX Conservative Dem]

Davis would bring up how Wilson's policies have been divisive for California (Prop. 187 1994 & Prop. 209 1996) while Wilson would be boasting of a $16 billion budget surplus.

[TX Conservative Dem]

Wilson could've used the Lewinsky scandal to his advantage by promoting family values.

[MATTROSE94]

Long-term statewide Democratic trend + generally bad climate for Republicans = Davis beats Wilson

I agree. Gray Davis would probably beat Pete "Self-Deportation" Wilson by about 5 or 6%.

[TX Conservative Dem]

MattRose94, I'm thinking Davis would get the voters against Wilson like he did in RL against Lungren:
African Americans: 85-15 in Davis' favor
Latinos: 77-23 in Davis' favor
Anglos: 55-43 in Wilson's favor
Asians: 64-36 in Davis' favor.

I also feel Davis will use slogan of Republicans being in power in Sacramento for way too long after 16 years of Republican governors.

[TX Conservative Dem]

Let's say President Bush 41 manages to defeat Clinton by using the Southern strategy to scare Independent voters in racially charged attack TV commercials, showing Black and Hispanic men attacking white women. Perot does NOT run as 3rd party candidate.

Bush 41 wins 57-38 over Clinton, who is devastated by the embarrassing loss. He returned back to Arkansas politically weakened, as the General Assembly no longer fear him or Hillary ad they've ignored his legislative priorities such as education reform, health care, etc.,

How would Clinton's loss impacted Arkansas politics ?

[Potatoe]

Let's say President Bush 41 manages to defeat Clinton by using the Southern strategy to scare Independent voters in racially charged attack TV commercials, showing Black and Hispanic men attacking white women. Perot does NOT run as 3rd party candidate.

No, no,  no would any of this happen, and how would those ads help in any way possible? George Bush is not Jesse Helms. And 57-38? What?

[TX Conservative Dem]

I was saying that Perot does NOT run as a 3rd party candidate in 1992.

[Potatoe]

I was saying that Perot does NOT run as a 3rd party candidate in 1992.

Perot took voters away from Clinton too, and you didn't explain how Bush wins a LBJ like Landslide.

[Sec. of State Superique]

I was saying that Perot does NOT run as a 3rd party candidate in 1992.

Perot took voters away from Clinton too, and you didn't explain how Bush wins a LBJ like Landslide.

I don't know. Maybe TX "Muh Perry Wins" Conservative Dem believes that Bush I running in a platform that is a mix of George Wallace and David Duke would make him succeed and win an election. He thinks that promoting racism and talking about crime would make voters ignore the poor economic scenario of the American Economy.

Now, answering this stupid question, it's very unlikely that Bill Clinton can be the comeback kid again and it maybe impossible for him to make major changes in Arkansas Politics anymore, which undoubtedly would be dominated a little bit more by Republicans as it seems to be your wish TX. I suspect however that Bill Clinton runs for Senate in 1996, defeating Tim Hutchinson by a good margin and he may even unsuccessfully run again for the Presidency in 2000.

[TX Conservative Dem]

I also don't think Mike Huckabee, Win Paul Rockefeller or even Mike Bebee would have existed on the statewide level either.

[SteveRogers]

Step 1: Racism
Step 2:
Step 3: Bush Landslide!

What?

[TX Conservative Dem]

Former VP Richard Nixon decides NOT to challenge incumbent CA Governor Pat Brown (D) in the upcoming 1962 gubernatorial elections, but he said he'd consider a comeback for U.S. Senator in 1964 though.

Summer 1961: Popular movie actor Ronald Reagan announces his candidacy for the California governorship against the embattled Democratic 1st term incumbent, who's facing massive budget shortfall crisis, clashing with the Legislature and backlash against his liberal policies.

Opinion polls show Reagan and Brown neck and neck in close race, but Reagan rants against the federal government encroaching into people's lives, promised to slash numerous wasteful government programs, balancing the state budget and creating jobs in order to boost California's economy.

Fall 1961: Nixon, U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) and NY St Governor Nelson Rockefeller (R) campaign for Reagan. Republicans also take advantage of JFK's botched attempt to oust Cuban dictator Fidel Castro in the failed Bay of Pigs operation.

Brown, in response, calls Reagan: "Inexperienced, no clue to understand how state government works in Sacramento." He also claims he's got more experience in state government, having won 3 statewide elections as California State AG in 1950, 1954 and Governor in 1958.

June 1962: Brown and Reagan win their respective primaries.

Both campaigns launch ugly negative TV ads against each other (see Dewhurst vs Cruz 2012 U.S. Senate race); Reagan openly declares if elected governor, he would end welfare programs by "putting the bums back to work." He also calls himself the candidate of States' Rights by opposing forced desegregation of public schools, etc.,

July 4, 1962: President Kennedy cones to California to campaign with Governor Brown. Kennedy says: "California needs to keep Pat Brown for the next 4 years in Sacramento because he cares about the common people in this state." He also took a pot shot at Reagan maintaining: "Now is not the time for a washed up has been Hollywood actor to run the Golden State."

[NHI]

Former VP Richard Nixon decides NOT to challenge incumbent CA Governor Pat Brown (D) in the upcoming 1962 gubernatorial elections, but he said he'd consider a comeback for U.S. Senator in 1964 though.

Summer 1961: Popular movie actor Ronald Reagan announces his candidacy for the California governorship against the embattled Democratic 1st term incumbent, who's facing massive budget shortfall crisis, clashing with the Legislature and backlash against his liberal policies.

Opinion polls show Reagan and Brown neck and neck in close race, but Reagan rants against the federal government encroaching into people's lives, promised to slash numerous wasteful government programs, balancing the state budget and creating jobs in order to boost California's economy.

Fall 1961: Nixon, U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) and NY St Governor Nelson Rockefeller (R) campaign for Reagan. Republicans also take advantage of JFK's botched attempt to oust Cuban dictator Fidel Castro in the failed Bay of Pigs operation.

Brown, in response, calls Reagan: "Inexperienced, no clue to understand how state government works in Sacramento." He also claims he's got more experience in state government, having won 3 statewide elections as California State AG in 1950, 1954 and Governor in 1958.

June 1962: Brown and Reagan win their respective primaries.

Both campaigns launch ugly negative TV ads against each other (see Dewhurst vs Cruz 2012 U.S. Senate race); Reagan openly declares if elected governor, he would end welfare programs by "putting the bums back to work." He also calls himself the candidate of States' Rights by opposing forced desegregation of public schools, etc.,

July 4, 1962: President Kennedy cones to California to campaign with Governor Brown. Kennedy says: "California needs to keep Pat Brown for the next 4 years in Sacramento because he cares about the common people in this state." He also took a pot shot at Reagan maintaining: "Now is not the time for a washed up has been Hollywood actor to run the Golden State."

This sets up Reagan for the win in '68!

[MATTROSE94]

Former VP Richard Nixon decides NOT to challenge incumbent CA Governor Pat Brown (D) in the upcoming 1962 gubernatorial elections, but he said he'd consider a comeback for U.S. Senator in 1964 though.

Summer 1961: Popular movie actor Ronald Reagan announces his candidacy for the California governorship against the embattled Democratic 1st term incumbent, who's facing massive budget shortfall crisis, clashing with the Legislature and backlash against his liberal policies.

Opinion polls show Reagan and Brown neck and neck in close race, but Reagan rants against the federal government encroaching into people's lives, promised to slash numerous wasteful government programs, balancing the state budget and creating jobs in order to boost California's economy.

Fall 1961: Nixon, U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) and NY St Governor Nelson Rockefeller (R) campaign for Reagan. Republicans also take advantage of JFK's botched attempt to oust Cuban dictator Fidel Castro in the failed Bay of Pigs operation.

Brown, in response, calls Reagan: "Inexperienced, no clue to understand how state government works in Sacramento." He also claims he's got more experience in state government, having won 3 statewide elections as California State AG in 1950, 1954 and Governor in 1958.

June 1962: Brown and Reagan win their respective primaries.

Both campaigns launch ugly negative TV ads against each other (see Dewhurst vs Cruz 2012 U.S. Senate race); Reagan openly declares if elected governor, he would end welfare programs by "putting the bums back to work." He also calls himself the candidate of States' Rights by opposing forced desegregation of public schools, etc.,

July 4, 1962: President Kennedy cones to California to campaign with Governor Brown. Kennedy says: "California needs to keep Pat Brown for the next 4 years in Sacramento because he cares about the common people in this state." He also took a pot shot at Reagan maintaining: "Now is not the time for a washed up has been Hollywood actor to run the Golden State."

This sets up Reagan for the win in '68!

Reagan would have probably defeated Humphrey and Wallace by an even larger margin than Nixon if he ran in 1968.

[TX Conservative Dem]

In this TL, I've got Nixon beating Salinger in the 1964 California U.S. Senate race.

[TX Conservative Dem]

October 1962: Reagan pulls the "There you go again" shtick on Brown in one of their two debates, which results in Reagan detailing the 15 items he would get rid of as governor. Brown looks beat red and upset that he got punked by a Hollywood actor.

Field Poll shows Reagan up 14 points: 52-38 and their final debate takes place on the campus of Stanford University in Palo Alto, where Brown kept repeating his accomplishments in office, but Reagan quickly attacks Brown's record as "another excuse to put Californians into deeper dependency on government welfare checks."

Brown loses his temper and brings up unflattering details of Reagan's personal life in which Reagan responds by saying "You know when you're lying Governor Brown ? Your lips are moving". The audience boos Brown so bad, the moderators have to end the debate early. Three days afterwards, new polling shows Brown losing by 20 points and among Independent voters, they prefer Reagan: 57-33.

Bay of Pigs Crisis between U.S. & Soviet Union take place, which boosts Kennedy's popularity of showing strong leadership during foreign policy crisis. However, it's not enough to save Brown.

November 1962 Election Night: Reagan easily destroys Brown: 57%-39% and carries 56 out of 58 counties. Several down ballot statewide offices go to the CA GOP as well. Several seats in the CA Legislature in both chambers go to the Republicans.

January 7, 1963: Reagan takes the oath of office as California's 33rd Governor outside the grounds of the California State Capitol in Sacramento. Former Governor Pat Brown refuses to shake Reagan's hand due to the ugly 1962 campaign.

[TX Conservative Dem]

Having ascended to the governorship upon the resignation of then-Governor Jim Guy Tucker (D) on July 15, 1996 due to the fallout of the Whitewater Scandals, Mike Huckabee (R) was elected to a full four-year term in 1998 in a landslide margin with 68% and was reelected to a 2nd full term in 2002 with just 52%.

Win Paul Rockefeller (R) was elected to the United States Senate in 1998 and reelected in 2004. Blanche Lincoln (D) was elected as Arkansas Secretary of State in 2002. Mark Pryor (the then State AG) was elected to the United States Senate that same year.

Despite rumors of standing aside to focus on a 2008 WH bid, Huckabee, during his 2005 State of the State Address to the General Assembly, announced his campaign for reelection to a 3rd consecutive term in the upcoming 2006 elections. Huckabee's announcement pisses off U.S. Rep. Asa Hutchinson (R-AR), who declared his intention to run against him in the GOP primary.

Democrats unite behind Lincoln, who declares her intentions to seek the governorship. State AG Mike Beebe (D) said he's sitting 2006 out and seeking reelection to his current job.

Campaign between Lincoln and Huckabee gets NASTY and uglier (see Perry vs Sanchez in 2002 TX Gov campaign) with 24/7 negative TV Advertising all over the state. Lincoln's personal life come into the spotlight as it was revealed she used to work at a strip club, which outrages everyone.

On election night: Huckabee wins reelection: 56%-39%, but the nasty campaign he ran against Lincoln damages his White House ambitions.

[MATTROSE94]

I'm thinking that Mike Huckabee runs for the Senate in 2014 in place of Tom Cotton in this TL and defeats Mark Pryor by a landslide margin.

[TX Conservative Dem]

I'm also betting that Huckabee doesn't seek reelection in 2010 and leaves the AR Governor's Mansion on January 11, 2011, being succeeded by Beebe.

Huckabee announces at the University of Arkansas-Pine Bluff annual national convention in Pine Bluff on July 4, 2009, that he would not seek reelection to an unprecedented 4th four year term, which leads to GOPers scrambling and talk to U.S. Senator Tim Griffin (R-AR: who was appointed to the Senate seat following the death of Rockefeller in 2006; winning a special election later that year )to seek the governorship.

On July 11, 2009: Griffin announces his candidacy for the AR governorship. Dems rally behind Beebe.

U.S. Rep. John Boozman (R-AR) declares he's running for the United States Senate.

October 5, 2009: Lincoln goes back in the political arena by running for the U.S. Senate against Boozman. Apparently, the scars from her 2006 gubernatorial campaign against Huckabee is still the talk of the town. People still snickering about Lincoln's past and she tries her best to ignore it.

[TX Conservative Dem]

January 20, 2015: Dan Patrick (R) is sworn in as the Lone Star State's 42nd Lieutenant Governor, succeeding the disgraced David Dewhurst (R), who refused to attend the ceremony after Patrick beat him so bad in the GOP primary runoff. About an hour later, Greg Abbott (R) was sworn in as Texas' 48th Governor in which a 19-cannon salute and flyover from the Texas Air National Guard followed.

Outgoing Governor Rick Perry and his wife, Anita both hugged Abbott and his wife, Cecilia after the new Governor praised Perry's 14 years in office. The Perry's were seated next to the Abbotts.

During the 2015 legislative session, Abbott vetoes Patrick's key legislation package on education reform, saying "I think Governor Patrick needs to be taken to the principal's office" laughing during a press conference. Speaker Joe Straus (R-San Antonio) also refused to consider Patrick's Property Tax Reform initiative in the House, these developments really piss off Patrick.

Conversation between Patrick and U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) in March 2015:
Patrick: "Ted, I'm the most powerful Lieutenant Governor in Texas state government, but both Governor Abbott and Speaker Straus don't invite me to the Governor's Mansion for an annual breakfast or joint press conference at the Capitol. "

Cruz: "How did you not see this coming ?"

Patrick: "Abbott, that damn pipsqueak started overruling me over major committee chairmanships to those uppity Democrats in the State Senate." " He's got the f****ing need to try to strip away my powers as Lieutenant Governor in doing anything, but my allies stopped him on that one."

Cruz: "Governor, what's your plan to stop Abbott and Straus from embarrassing you?"

Patrick: "Since I'm a heartbeat away from the Governor's Mansion, I'll think of something to stop that uppity wheelchair bound punk from doing stunts like that because let me tell you what Senator.... After the 2015 legislative session,Greg Abbott will never embarrass me again. That's not a threat, that's a promise !"

May 27, 2015: Patrick escalated a major scandal involving several members of the Abbott administration (see House of Cards), majority of whom are indicted of tax evasion, mail and wire fraud, obstruction of justice, etc., so far Abbott is not implicated in the scandal, but his approval ratings take a big nosedive to 44%.

Three days later, Abbott (pissed off), calls a special session to strip Patrick of all of his powers as LG. The State Senate is deadlocked due to Patrick threatening half of the State Senators with intimidation or worse. Patrick already consolidating more powers as LG by blackmailing half of the Legislature to weaken the governor's office even more----having the LG get the authority on who gets appointed to state commissions, boards, agencies, etc.,

Abbott's Securing Texas Plan passes the State House, but bombs in the State Senate due to Patrick whipping up the votes to defeat the legislation. Abbott is furious and bans Patrick from the Governor's Mansion for the remainder of his governorship.

September 2015: LG Patrick manipulates several members of the Legislature to dismantle Abbott's Educating Our Children Act. He offers a peace offering to former LG David Dewhurst by promising him to convince the University of Texas Board of Regents as UT President, which eventually occurs.

April 6, 2016: while campaigning for former Florida Governor Jeb Bush (R) in the GOP presidential nomination campaign against Senator Cruz (whom Patrick is backing), Abbott narrowly survived an assassination attempt in Tampa, Florida. This incident makes Patrick the acting governor for only 2 weeks until Abbott recovers from his injuries and reassumed the governorship.

April 20, 2016: Abbott suffers a cerebral hemorrhage during a press conference at the State Capitol Rotunda in Austin in front of many news reporters and other statewide officeholders. Patrick watches and smirks saying to himself, "Hope that bastard dies."

11:00pm, April 20, 2016: Abbott dies from complications of surgery at Saint David's Hospital. Patrick is sworn in as the 49th Governor by Chief Justice Nathan Hecht inside the Erwin Center on the UT campus. Among his first official orders, Governor Patrick sends the Texas National Guard to the Texas-Mexican border and orders them to shoot or kill anyone helping illegal aliens. He also sends the Texas Rangers to assist in aggressively securing the border by any means necessary.