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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2014, 06:47:58 AM »

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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2014, 06:48:28 AM »

A final vote is now open on the underlying legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or aBstain.
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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2014, 09:00:55 AM »

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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2014, 10:24:25 AM »

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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2014, 11:34:19 AM »

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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2014, 01:09:59 PM »

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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2014, 06:05:11 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2014, 06:06:30 PM »

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« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2014, 08:37:35 PM »

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« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2014, 10:15:06 PM »

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« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2014, 01:41:00 AM »

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« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2014, 08:23:23 AM »

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« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2014, 02:24:27 PM »

I am going to admit I am struggling over this bill. On the one hand, the question of using legacy to admit student potential violates the 14th amendment's due process clause. On the other, we are essentially using one's subjective rather than objective intent concerning their decision to admit a student to a university, and you cannot use one's subjective intent in a court of law.

In short, enforcing this law will likely be impossible until the judicial branch makes a ruling on it, and absent that, nothing will change if we pass this because today, legacy students rarely have worse credentials than their non-legacy counterparts.

Tyrion, you make the point that Harvard has a third of their class as legacy, but I can assure you, most of them would have made it in Harvard and most other ivy league schools without that help. The real issue here is socioeconomics where the wealthy tend to excel in school over the less fortunate, and that is due to our secondary education system and the opportunities the wealthy have for prep courses and access to materials. This is a result of the widening of the income gap, not because of legacy.

This bill fixes none of these problems. It enacts an arbitrary law without teeth that will need to essentially be decided in court rather than on the Senate floor. I am still thinking about this one and doing some research, but should I veto, I assure you I will make my reasons known and not do it hastefully.
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« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2014, 04:11:48 AM »

This vote is presently tied and will end as such unless a vote shifts on the 14th.
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« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2014, 05:21:23 PM »

Vote on Final Passage of the End Affirmative Action for the Rich Act:

Aye (5): bore, Mr. X, Talleyrand, TNF and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (5): DC al Fine, Goldwater, NC Yankee, shua and Tmthforu94
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

The bvote is tied with time having expired. The VP shall break the tie.
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« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2014, 05:00:17 PM »

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« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2014, 05:55:59 PM »

Thank you for your support, Mr. Vice President!
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« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2014, 08:11:51 PM »

THe bill has passed adn has been presented to the President for executive action.
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« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2014, 08:12:49 PM »

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« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2014, 09:37:55 PM »
« Edited: February 16, 2014, 09:39:32 PM by President Duke »


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After much thought and research, I am signing this bill. Many in the legal community feel that legacy admissions violates both the 1866 Civil Rights Act and the nobility clauses in the constitution. Both of these statutes effectively ban the hereditary advantages that are given today to legacy students when they are considered for admission to specific institutions.

With all of that said, I don't think this is easily enforceable, and I really feel it is a question left up to the courts. What we are doing here is really just encouraging colleges to abandon this practice, as many have, and really nothing more. Judging the subjective intent of admissions officers is difficult in court. Hence why I see no harm in signing it.
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