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Chancellor Tanterterg
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« on: January 28, 2014, 10:50:59 AM »
« edited: January 28, 2014, 10:53:50 AM by Senator X »

@ PPT North Carolina Yankee: Cocaine use by individuals over the age of 18 was decriminalized by the law I am trying to repeal.  If something is legal than it is permitted by law, whereas decriminalization means eliminating all criminal penalties for it.  I also object to your motion, nice try Wink  I might be alright with this motion later on though if the debate starts going in circles after a bit.


@ Everyone (but also partly a response to Senator Shua): I am not advocating a return to the failed era of the old War on Drugs where our jails were clogged with drug addicts and where drug policies were little more than a tool for dog whistle politics.  In my opinion, any responsible drug policies must balance treatment and rehabilitation with punishment.  I think the Rehabilitation and Reasonable Penalties Act of 2014, which is a vital part of my drug reform package, is proof of that (as well as my willingness to try to find a compromise on this since the penalties I proposed were already more lenient than I'd have liked).  As I've said before, I'd be happy to hear any suggestions from my colleagues about how these bills could be improved.  History has proven won't solve this problem with a purely punitive approach.  That being said, I think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.  At the very least, there should be criminal penalties for the use of the worst hard drugs such as cocaine, methamphetamine, and heroine.  

While the politically popular position might be that we should just leave people to their own devices where drugs like cocaine, heroine, and methamphetamine are concerned, the reality is that these are extremely dangerous and addictive substances that cannot be used safely, regardless of the dose or form.  We aren't talking about marijuana (which sounds like it is relatively harmless, compared to most drugs) or alcohol (which is fine as long as you are responsible about how much and how often you drink it).  Cocaine causes nothing except pain and suffering (both for addicts and those around them) and causes both physical and emotional death.  Even if one believes things like LSD should be decriminalized, as far as drugs go, cocaine is among the worst of the worst.

While treatment and rehabilitation are important and need to be a part of our nation's drug policies, criminal penalties (at least for drugs like cocaine) should be on the table as well.  I'm not advocating a return to the dark days of three strikes laws and private prisons lobbying for laws that will put more people in jail.  However, I do believe that just as criminal penalties alone are not the answer, neither is complete decriminalization. There is a balance between the two extremes and it is that balance that we should be looking for.
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 01:49:13 PM »

Was the law you cite changed at all by the comprehensive legislation we passed a few months ago?

No. It just confirmed the existing status with regard to cocaine.

So if this law being repealed here were repealed, Cocaine would remain decrminalized regardless correct?

Was the law you cite changed at all by the comprehensive legislation we passed a few months ago?

No. Cocaine was exempted from that legislation because this law was on the books.

Why wasn't it just consolidated into such if the aim was for a comphrensive law, with this one being repealed? length?

I should note that repealing this law removes one of the major legal roadblocks to re-criminalizating cocaine.  The other bill Senator TNF speaks of could be repealed and/or amended afterward.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2014, 01:44:20 PM »

Would it be appropriate, if this bill lacks the votes to pass on the merits to amend it so that whilst repealing said law, the contents get rolled into the comprehensive act at the very least?

What do you mean?
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2014, 12:07:46 PM »

Basically if we cannot reverse the law on cocaine, if we lack the votes basically, should we still possibly repeal the law and roll the decriminalization into the Comprehensive Act?

No, since cocaine shouldn't have been decriminalized in the first place and amending the Comprehensive Act to include the decriminalization of cocaine will only make it harder to re-criminalize it in the future (assuming there is eventually a Senate session with the votes to do this at some point) if my current efforts fail.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2014, 12:31:13 PM »

How so Senator? Is it that much harder to write a law striking out a few lines from a big bill then it is to write a law saying such and such is repealed?

I may have misunderstood what you meant, but I thought you were saying that we should amend the Comprehensive Act to de-criminalize cocaine and leave the law my bill is trying to repeal in place.  That means that re-criminalizing cocaine would require repealing this law and the removing the amendment from the Comprehensive Act.  It is easier to just repeal this law and not have to worry about undoing an amendment to another bill.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 10:55:09 PM »

Why don't we legalize the sale of cocaine, and put a sin tax on it instead? Seems like the best course of action to me.

Because both the sale and use of cocaine should be subject to criminal penalties.  It's bad enough that cocaine use has been de-criminalized.  Legalizing the sale of cocaine is a step in the wrong direction.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2014, 12:09:00 PM »

I object to Senator TNF's amendment.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2014, 03:32:15 PM »

A sin tax on cocaine is a step in the wrong direction and will only mean legalization of the drug's usage.  It is neither an acceptable "compromise" nor is it good policy.  Cocaine should be re-criminalized and it is quite troubling that it was ever de-criminalized.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2014, 07:36:12 PM »

I'd be fine with a higher rate, and that's something we can address with a subsequent amendment should this one pass.

You should just make it a 15 or 20% excise tax on the value of the Cocaine sold. There is a 15% excise tax on Marijuana so I think a 20% tax on Cocaine should be good.

It shouldn't be sold period.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2014, 08:33:18 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2014, 02:48:00 PM »


Sounds good.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 10:59:25 AM »

AYE
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2014, 08:53:29 AM »

This only takes one of my proposals off the table and I did gain a better understanding of what to do differently during the subsequent debates on the subject, such are the benefits of a line-item approach.  Still a sad day for Atlasia, however Sad
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