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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2014, 01:51:10 AM »

North Carolina-The State has been trending Democratic in recent Presidential Voting for a number of cycles now. I know for state and (local races probably) the state has elected Democrats over Republicans for a number of years now. The state last had a Republican Governor in the early 1990's before McCroy won last year. I know the State Democratic Party is nowhere near as liberal a the National Democratic Party is.

The NC Democratic Party has since the 1970's been dominated by Progressive types who managed to keep up their populist appeals with John Edwards types who could appeal to rural voters. At the time, the middle and upper class white voters who were heavily GOP dominated the urban counties of Wake and Mecklenburg whilst the Democrats did well in the rural areas of the Mountains (save for the GOP pockets in certain counties), Central and Eastern Parts of the state as well amongst the mill workers, farm laborours and minorities.

Since the 1990's you have had growth of minorities in the cities, the flight of Republican voters from them, the rise of younger more liberal urban whites in those same cities, and the decline of the Democrats in the rural areas. Basically the same thing that has happened elsewhere. Because of timing, the combination of 2010 and 2012 have left state government the most Republican that it has ever been, whilst the state GOP peaked in the early 2000s in terms of voting strength. 

Just because the NC Democratic Party put on a populist face, doesn't mean it is any less liberal andn ow that it feels it no longer needs those voters, it won't hessitate to run more to the left. Obama's victory certainly emboldens that illustrating what strong minority and young voter turnout can do and a Progressive campaign that can rally such will be very alluring to the party.
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2014, 03:29:55 PM »

If you think about it, this isn't much of a concession towards anything. 

It's already impossible to deport all the illegal immigrants.  This just acknowledges that and offers continued limbo status to people in exchange for significant fines and requirements.  The deal is: You can continue to be a second-class citizen in exchange for not being deported.  That's already the deal in essence, if not law.  Why would anyone pay fines and agree to all these requirements in exchange for nothing?

Plus, the Senate bill is already a huge concession to Republican immigration policy.

Basically this. One thing that unites the Republican Party in its various positions  on immigration is a lack of concern or regard for the lives of the people who are most affected by immigration policy.
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2014, 02:00:05 AM »

If you think about it, this isn't much of a concession towards anything.  

It's already impossible to deport all the illegal immigrants.  This just acknowledges that and offers continued limbo status to people in exchange for significant fines and requirements.  The deal is: You can continue to be a second-class citizen in exchange for not being deported.  That's already the deal in essence, if not law.  Why would anyone pay fines and agree to all these requirements in exchange for nothing?

Plus, the Senate bill is already a huge concession to Republican immigration policy.

Basically this. One thing that unites the Republican Party in its various positions  on immigration is a lack of concern or regard for the lives of the people who are most affected by immigration policy.
Well this is the beef I have with the some Republicans(there is a heavy divide on this issue in the party) but they don't see the issue as you just wrote. Their view is we are a country of laws and think it is wrong to give a pathway to citizenship or legalization to people that came here illegally. I would agree but the problem is you aren't gonna deport 11 million people and my point is.....they (some Republicans) who are against immigration reform don't get how latino's feel about deporting a family member, a parent,( or a friend who in their view is part of their family.) The Hispanic Community is very passionate about the issue of family and keeping the family together(similar to Italians.)

I think George Will was trying to explain Laura Ingrahm on "Fox News Sunday" about immigration reform she would have none of what George Will was saying.

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