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« on: February 03, 2014, 01:15:48 PM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/us-gay-and-bisexual-idUSBREA1215C20140203

This looks like a health problem... but are there political impacts to this as well? (is this ammunition for Republicans?)
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 01:54:40 PM »

No more gays in baseball?
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2014, 01:55:28 PM »

What does the Q stand for?
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2014, 02:01:23 PM »


Queer.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2014, 02:28:11 PM »

The statistics here are unbelievable.  I'm sure there's some methodological problem that casts doubt on the study.  21% of gay kids use steroids?  No way on earth that's true.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2014, 02:35:32 PM »

The statistics here are unbelievable.  I'm sure there's some methodological problem that casts doubt on the study.  21% of gay kids use steroids?  No way on earth that's true.

Maybe the percentages are off, but you can't sign on to Grindr for a second without knowing the gay community has a real problem with steroids. Never mind the fact that masculine "bro" types are very trendy right now, making the existing problem of widespread gay body dysmorphia even worse.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2014, 02:46:44 PM »

The statistics here are unbelievable.  I'm sure there's some methodological problem that casts doubt on the study.  21% of gay kids use steroids?  No way on earth that's true.

Maybe the percentages are off, but you can't sign on to Grindr for a second without knowing the gay community has a real problem with steroids. Never mind the fact that masculine "bro" types are very trendy right now, making the existing problem of widespread gay body dysmorphia even worse.

Well, you don't need to use steroids to be in good shape.  Gay men work out more often than straight men, for sure.  So, it's pretty difficult to say based on a person's physique, unless they're a bodybuilder.   

In any case, there is a huge problem in the gay community with use of methamphetamines, MDMA and cocaine.  In comparison to those drugs, steroids are actually fairly benign drugs. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2014, 02:55:34 PM »


Questioning, I believe.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 06:50:06 PM »

The statistics here are unbelievable.  I'm sure there's some methodological problem that casts doubt on the study.  21% of gay kids use steroids?  No way on earth that's true.

Maybe the percentages are off, but you can't sign on to Grindr for a second without knowing the gay community has a real problem with steroids. Never mind the fact that masculine "bro" types are very trendy right now, making the existing problem of widespread gay body dysmorphia even worse.

Well, you don't need to use steroids to be in good shape.  Gay men work out more often than straight men, for sure.  So, it's pretty difficult to say based on a person's physique, unless they're a bodybuilder.   

In any case, there is a huge problem in the gay community with use of methamphetamines, MDMA and cocaine.  In comparison to those drugs, steroids are actually fairly benign drugs. 

Ever seen the results of roid-rage? I have... they're not benign.

FM is exactly right, there is a big problem with steroids in certain segments of the gay community and it does come down to the body-image complex. Which also links to some elements of the drug culture, alcohol = empty calories.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2014, 07:31:16 PM »


Sometimes you'll see LGBTQQ for both.
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2014, 12:34:49 AM »


When there's only one Q, though, it's almost always, in my experience at least, meant to stand for 'Queer'.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2014, 12:42:33 AM »


When there's only one Q, though, it's almost always, in my experience at least, meant to stand for 'Queer'.

In the due course of time and progress, this initialism/acronym will be about twenty characters long.
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2014, 12:50:59 AM »


When there's only one Q, though, it's almost always, in my experience at least, meant to stand for 'Queer'.

In the due course of time and progress, this initialism/acronym will be about twenty characters long.

In some places I've seen LGBTQQIAAP.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2014, 01:02:01 AM »


When there's only one Q, though, it's almost always, in my experience at least, meant to stand for 'Queer'.

In the due course of time and progress, this initialism/acronym will be about twenty characters long.

In some places I've seen LGBTQQIAAP.

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Not God's, and not the beasts';
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Man partly is, and wholly hopes to be."

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2014, 01:27:07 AM »

The non-homophobe alphabet soup really needs to stop before it gets sillier than it already is.  At the rate things are going, it may not be long before they add a C for those who prefer to have sex with those who have had a colostomy or an N for those who engage in consensual necrophilia with their dead partner.
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2014, 01:29:50 AM »


When there's only one Q, though, it's almost always, in my experience at least, meant to stand for 'Queer'.

In the due course of time and progress, this initialism/acronym will be about twenty characters long.

In some places I've seen LGBTQQIAAP.

What does the second A mean?  I can make out the rest.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2014, 01:33:35 AM »


When there's only one Q, though, it's almost always, in my experience at least, meant to stand for 'Queer'.

In the due course of time and progress, this initialism/acronym will be about twenty characters long.

In some places I've seen LGBTQQIAAP.

What does the second A mean?  I can make out the rest.

Allies. As you might imagine, there's a lot of resistance to having it there, including among people who are comfortable with the general idea of the initialism being very long and specific.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2014, 01:35:25 AM »


When there's only one Q, though, it's almost always, in my experience at least, meant to stand for 'Queer'.

In the due course of time and progress, this initialism/acronym will be about twenty characters long.

In some places I've seen LGBTQQIAAP.

What does the second A mean?  I can make out the rest.

Allies, i.e. straight people for gay rights (like in the Gay-Straight Alliances).

The LGBT organisation of my area was created under the name "alternative sexualities", which created some ruckus, since some considered it was making heterosexuality superior
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2014, 01:38:04 AM »


Or questioning.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2014, 01:39:45 AM »


When there's only one Q, though, it's almost always, in my experience at least, meant to stand for 'Queer'.

In the due course of time and progress, this initialism/acronym will be about twenty characters long.

In some places I've seen LGBTQQIAAP.

What does the second A mean?  I can make out the rest.

Allies. As you might imagine, there's a lot of resistance to having it there, including among people who are comfortable with the general idea of the initialism being very long and specific.

Okay then.  I respect that it is very much not my prerogative to say what letters should or shouldn't get appended onto that string, but I kinda wonder if at some point it just pragmatically makes more sense to give up and just use "queer" to refer to everyone, or stick with LGBT(Q) for brevity's sake, in the understanding that it's a synecdoche.

I guess suggesting that means I'm not really an ally.  Oops. Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2014, 01:55:24 AM »

Do people really say "LGBTTIQQ2SA" or "LGBTQQIAAP" and expect to not sound ridiculous?
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2014, 06:35:27 AM »

Do people really say "LGBTTIQQ2SA" or "LGBTQQIAAP" and expect to not sound ridiculous?

Not a lot of people, but yes.
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2014, 06:53:12 AM »
« Edited: February 04, 2014, 06:55:47 AM by afleitch »

For me (and I'll probably get abuse for this) it should stop at LGB. Trans issues and other matters of gender identity, while I am very sympathetic towards them, are very different from the right of people to have normative sexual relations with someone of the same sex.

On the matter of body issues, the study has an 'iffy' sample, but body issues for men in general, regardless of sexuality are a major problem. When masculine seeks masculine, then that get's more complicated.
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2014, 07:28:05 AM »

I think there is an argument for separating 'sexuality' from 'gender'
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2014, 07:52:42 AM »
« Edited: February 04, 2014, 08:16:27 AM by Flawless Victory »

For me (and I'll probably get abuse for this) it should stop at LGB. Trans issues and other matters of gender identity, while I am very sympathetic towards them, are very different from the right of people to have normative sexual relations with someone of the same sex.

On the matter of body issues, the study has an 'iffy' sample, but body issues for men in general, regardless of sexuality are a major problem. When masculine seeks masculine, then that get's more complicated.
 
I'm not at all offended by this post, but I believe the bolded part is worded wrongly.  Sure, Trans identity is mainly gender focused but at the end of the day there are many of these people who inevitably do end up in normative sex relations with people of the same biological sex.  While the porn industry stereotype that Transes are super sluts is definitely false, they are still, like the rest of us, horny people.  Many of them who get in relationships before SRS (getting money for such a procedure could take YEARS for many) probably can't wait until they get the surgery over and done with to be intimate with their partners.
And then you have the "non-op" types who don't have plans to transition, whether for medical reasons or personal preferences.  

Point is, inevitably Transgender issues do involve same sex intercourse.  While those of us educated on the matter would easily conclude that a relationship between a masculine heterosexual man and a feminine pre-operative transwoman is straight, ignorants and bigots lump that in with the rest of the crew just off the basis that it's penis in butt.  Such a couple would be easier to blend into society than an outright gay couple (I might get abuse for this point too, lol), but it's pretty common for them to experience bigotry once others find out that they both have cars in their garages despite the houses looking completely different, to be super metaphorical about it all.
I actually do agree with you on the whole lettering thing (actually, I find the obsession with abbreviations for everything irritating, so I guess it's easy to agree with anybody on less letters.  It's not like being opposed to letters is pro-Hitler or anything), but more on the basis of gender than sex.  After all, this couple:



don't at all look like this couple:


Edit: But this isn't to say that all "trans" couples look like the above.  The first picture in some circumstances could qualify as a "trans" couple if one of the men was born a female.  But regardless.

Don't mean to offend at all here, just not sure that's the right terminology to use.  I do agree with you though that overall the LGB part is chiefly concerned with relationship rights while the T is chiefly concerned with biological issues (which do include a good amount of civil rights, to be fair).
Again, sorry if I sound like I'm nitpicking, lol

EDIT: Had to clarify the position a little bit better.
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