New Zealand's Prime Minister favors changing the flag

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I feel the silver fern proposal is too much like a pirate flag; the Lockwood flag is perfect.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Key now supports the Lockwood flag. He wants two referendums - one to determine the best potential new flag (3-5 flags will be chosen by a cross-party committee); another to pit the winner against the present flag.

A vet group has opposed changing the flag, saying it is disrespectful to change the flag soldiers died under.

[Frodo]

At the end of it all, with respect to New Zealand and Australia if you re-design a national flag you have to remember it's a flag, not a sports banner, or tourist board logo (which is what that kangaroo one reminds me of) The 'Ausflag 2000 design get's it right and keeps the integrity of the Australian design. PM Helen Clark's simple design for New Zealand get's it right too. Flags that try and incorporate too many colours and too many designs are too busy.

Yeah, the Ausflag 2000 design is my favourite of the bunch.

You mean this one?



or this?

[ilikeverin]

Key now supports the Lockwood flag. He wants two referendums - one to determine the best potential new flag (3-5 flags will be chosen by a cross-party committee); another to pit the winner against the present flag.

A vet group has opposed changing the flag, saying it is disrespectful to change the flag soldiers died under.

The one with colors?  If so, YES.  That is the best possible proposal.  Good for you, Key.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

At the end of it all, with respect to New Zealand and Australia if you re-design a national flag you have to remember it's a flag, not a sports banner, or tourist board logo (which is what that kangaroo one reminds me of) The 'Ausflag 2000 design get's it right and keeps the integrity of the Australian design. PM Helen Clark's simple design for New Zealand get's it right too. Flags that try and incorporate too many colours and too many designs are too busy.

Yeah, the Ausflag 2000 design is my favourite of the bunch.

You mean this one?



or this?

The second one. The top one is disgusting.

[Platypus]

I support the southern cross on blue for Australia, and the silver fern for New Zealand.

While I quite like having the Southern Cross in it's current position and the left half of the flag simply left blank, like so:



...placing it in the middle would be OK.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I support the southern cross on blue for Australia, and the silver fern for New Zealand.

While I quite like having the Southern Cross in it's current position and the left half of the flag simply left blank, like so:

No.  Keep in mind that a flag should always be designed with the reality that there won't always be a wind to keep it up.   Important design elements thus need to be placed towards the hoist and not the fly end if they are to be off-center.

[Platypus]

which is another good reason to change the flags of Australia and/or New Zealand, especially the latter. If the flag is hanging in a particular way, it could be any British colonial ensign.

I think it ould be sufficiently unique in having such a dominant blue field as to be identifiable without the SoCro showing, and considering that the bast majority of interactions with the flag these days is in flat representations online/tv/etc (like, 98% of the time you see the Australian flag, it isn't being flown, especially outside Australia) I think this is one of those conventions that are nice in theory but not really important in the modern world.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

And it looks like the Kiwis will have two referendums.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29812549
The first, in 2015, will determine which design will be the new flag and then the second, in 2016, will determine if New Zealand will replace their current flag with the chosen new flag.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

This would be an ideal Australian flag, at least:

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Do be quiet Snowstalker.

[Platypus]

If Australia ever goes communist, it would be with the Eureka flag , maybe the central star in red.

[Beezer]

These Are the Final Four Designs for New Zealand’s New National Flag

http://time.com/4018180/new-zealand-flag-silver-fern-koru/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Fmostemailed+%28TIME%3A+Most+Emailed+Story+of+the+Day%29

[Angel of Death]

That spiral flag is ugly as hell. The only way I could see people going for it, is if it hypnotizes those looking at it.
It's a good thing that the first referendum will use preferential voting (although a Condorcet method would have been preferable to the instant-runoff voting being used here).

[politicus]

That spiral flag is ugly as hell. The only way I could see people going for it, is if it hypnotizes those looking at it.
It's a good thing that the first referendum will use preferential voting (although a Condorcet method would have been preferable to the instant-runoff voting being used here).

A matter of taste. I would vote for it (although none of these options are great).

I wish they had used the brighter blue on the red/blue fern flag. As it is the black/white fern flag is the best of the fern flags. The blue/black fern is hideous.

[Simfan34]

They all look very "contemporary". Which is not a good thing in a flag. The black fern would have sufficed.

[Cassius]

The one on the top left is by far the best. Of course, they're all pretty grim.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

None feature the kiwi bird? Lame

[Marokai Backbeat]

I absolutely adore the spiral. Y'all are crazy.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Black and white fern is the best (but simple white fern centered on black would have been better), spiral is the worst.

[afleitch]

These wouldn't even fly on AH.com.

[ingemann]

Pretty flags, a little busy, but the big problem with them, in my opinion, are that they look like expensive well designed company flags rather than the flag of a state.

[politicus]

spiral is the worst.

Why? It is simple and original. Like the Greenlandic flag.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

spiral is the worst.

Why? It is simple and original. Like the Greenlandic flag.

It looks like the flag of an obscure Japanese prefecture. Which I guess would automatically make it better than most national flags, if also sillier.

[politicus]

spiral is the worst.

Why? It is simple and original. Like the Greenlandic flag.

It looks like the flag of an obscure Japanese prefecture. Which I guess would automatically make it better than most national flags, if also sillier.

Yeah, I thought the Japanese/oriental touch would appeal to Madeleine, which is why I was curious.