Would most Tea Party supporters be Nazi voters in the Weimar Republic?

[Oak Hills]

Occupy and Tea are completely different movements, one is right wing and the other is left-wing.

Actually they are pretty similar in many ways.

In the same way that the NSDAP and the KPD were similar. In other words, they were organizationally and tactically similar, but their ideologies had nothing in common. Occupiers would be KPD voters (with some of the more moderate ones voting SPD), and the majority of Tea Partiers would have supported the NSDAP by 1932-33, but many would have supported the DNVP and smaller parties.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Occupy and Tea are completely different movements, one is right wing and the other is left-wing.

Actually they are pretty similar in many ways.

In the same way that the NSDAP and the KPD were similar. In other words, they were organizationally and tactically similar, but their ideologies had nothing in common. Occupiers would be KPD voters (with some of the more moderate ones voting SPD), and the majority of Tea Partiers would have supported the NSDAP by 1932-33, but many would have supported the DNVP and smaller parties.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that the Tea-party and Occupy were originally grassroots populist revolts against the establishment that were co-opted by Wall Street and the Democratic establishment, respectively.

[NewYorkExpress]

More likely a plurality than a majority...

[Lief 🗽]

The question is stupid and the subsequent discussion hasn't been much better. The Tea Party is a very American thing and trying to place it in a Weimar context is just...I hardly know what to say.

And, yes, it is ironic that Lief and BRTD are probably among the people most likely in this thread to have supported the Nazis back in those days.

[Torie]

This poll sucks BRTD. Someone reported it. I "no actioned" it, reluctantly, but sadly appropriately given the policies here fashioned by that certain "blue avatar lawyer" in my little satrapy here. Does that give you a hint how I voted.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The question is stupid and the subsequent discussion hasn't been much better. The Tea Party is a very American thing and trying to place it in a Weimar context is just...I hardly know what to say.

And, yes, it is ironic that Lief and BRTD are probably among the people most likely in this thread to have supported the Nazis back in those days.

I was thinking "lolwut"

Like if he said KPD maybe but it's not like we ever endorse anti-immigrant measures or xenophobia, or act as apologists for Golden Dawn or Le Pen or other any xenophobic far right in general.

[patrick1]

He is attacking your character not your politics, brtd.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So in that case accuse me of being a KPD supporter. There's basically no reason why anyone with my politics would be a Nazi supporter.

[Oak Hills]

Occupy and Tea are completely different movements, one is right wing and the other is left-wing.

Actually they are pretty similar in many ways.

In the same way that the NSDAP and the KPD were similar. In other words, they were organizationally and tactically similar, but their ideologies had nothing in common. Occupiers would be KPD voters (with some of the more moderate ones voting SPD), and the majority of Tea Partiers would have supported the NSDAP by 1932-33, but many would have supported the DNVP and smaller parties.

I feel like I presumed things I shouldn't have in the bolded portion of the above comment, and am now denouncing it, but I will leave it there for the record, since I don't believe in deleting portions of my posts when they have already been read by others.

[Franknburger]

This is obviously comparing apples to oranges. For all similarities in shape, water content and acidity, an apple is still an apple and an orange an orange. In that sense, and as mere thought experiment, let's try to answer the question from a Germany 1932/33 perspective:

Catholics, especially the religiously-motivated SoCons among them -> Centrum

Fiscal / economic conservatives, pro free-trade, especially from affluent, foreign-trade oriented regions (New England/ New York / Great Lakes / West Coast coming to mind here for the US) -> DVP

Hawks, law & order, anti-immigration/ anti-Muslim (but not necessarily racist), pro-gun, small government, regionalist /"state rights", protectionist, anti gay marriage (typically rural / small-town/ agrarian) -> DNVP (some defection to NSDAP after 1928)

Socially concerned / marginalised evangelicals, nationalist, anti-immigration/ anti-Muslim, anti gay marriage especially from regions with a historic (social-)democratic lean, plus some social-economic utopians with an otherwise nationalist / anti-immigrant outlook (libertarians?) -> NSDAP


I leave it to others to sort whoever is counted as Tea Party supporter into the above categories. An interesting question, however, is, where Republicans supporting weed legalisation would have ended up in the Weimar Republic...

More background info
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=66004.25
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_political_parties

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

This is obviously comparing apples to oranges. For all similarities in shape, water content and acidity, an apple is still an apple and an orange an orange. In that sense, and as mere thought experiment, let's try to answer the question from a Germany 1932/33 perspective:

Catholics, especially the religiously-motivated SoCons among them -> Centrum

Fiscal / economic conservatives, pro free-trade, especially from affluent, foreign-trade oriented regions (New England/ New York / Great Lakes / West Coast coming to mind here for the US) -> DVP

Hawks, law & order, anti-immigration/ anti-Muslim (but not necessarily racist), pro-gun, small government, regionalist /"state rights", protectionist, anti gay marriage (typically rural / small-town/ agrarian) -> DNVP (some defection to NSDAP after 1928)

Socially concerned / marginalised evangelicals, nationalist, anti-immigration/ anti-Muslim, anti gay marriage especially from regions with a historic (social-)democratic lean, plus some social-economic utopians with an otherwise nationalist / anti-immigrant outlook (libertarians?) -> NSDAP


I leave it to others to sort whoever is counted as Tea Party supporter into the above categories. An interesting question, however, is, where Republicans supporting weed legalisation would have ended up in the Weimar Republic...

How in God's name are libertarians "social-economic utopians?"

[Franknburger]

This is obviously comparing apples to oranges. For all similarities in shape, water content and acidity, an apple is still an apple and an orange an orange. In that sense, and as mere thought experiment, let's try to answer the question from a Germany 1932/33 perspective:

Catholics, especially the religiously-motivated SoCons among them -> Centrum

Fiscal / economic conservatives, pro free-trade, especially from affluent, foreign-trade oriented regions (New England/ New York / Great Lakes / West Coast coming to mind here for the US) -> DVP

Hawks, law & order, anti-immigration/ anti-Muslim (but not necessarily racist), pro-gun, small government, regionalist /"state rights", protectionist, anti gay marriage (typically rural / small-town/ agrarian) -> DNVP (some defection to NSDAP after 1928)

Socially concerned / marginalised evangelicals, nationalist, anti-immigration/ anti-Muslim, anti gay marriage especially from regions with a historic (social-)democratic lean, plus some social-economic utopians with an otherwise nationalist / anti-immigrant outlook (libertarians?) -> NSDAP


I leave it to others to sort whoever is counted as Tea Party supporter into the above categories. An interesting question, however, is, where Republicans supporting weed legalisation would have ended up in the Weimar Republic...

How in God's name are libertarians "social-economic utopians?"

Hard-core economic libertarians (abolish the Fed, etc.), for example - though I have no idea how relevant such thinking is for self-defined "libertarians", hence my question mark.

[Storebought]

This is a silly thread, but I detest the Tea Party, so I'll comment anyway:

In a Weimar context, I think that the larger part of Tea Party supporters would be DNVP voters rather than NSDAP voters.

Current Tea Party supporters would certainly have been members of the Ku Klux Klan of that era.

[Lief 🗽]

Hawks, law & order, anti-immigration/ anti-Muslim (but not necessarily racist), pro-gun, small government, regionalist /"state rights", protectionist, anti gay marriage (typically rural / small-town/ agrarian) -> DNVP (some defection to NSDAP after 1928)

Socially concerned / marginalised evangelicals, nationalist, anti-immigration/ anti-Muslim, anti gay marriage especially from regions with a historic (social-)democratic lean, plus some social-economic utopians with an otherwise nationalist / anti-immigrant outlook (libertarians?) -> NSDAP

Sounds like the Tea Party to me.

[Yeahsayyeah]

let's try to answer the question from a Germany 1932/33 perspective:

In a 1932/33 perspective, of course, DVP was nearly dead and NSDAP was making inroads into the catholic milieu, especially in Bavaria. But of course, it's all apples and oranges, if not oranges and apple computers

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Absolutely not. The Nazis are of the left not the right. National Socialism was a fundamentally flawed leftist ideology rooted in eugenics and state ran capitalism.  Many Tea Partiers are market capitalists of Austrian or Chicago school who are rather pro-life and racial equality under the law.

[Sol]

Occupy and Tea are completely different movements, one is right wing and the other is left-wing.

Actually they are pretty similar in many ways.

In the same way that the NSDAP and the KPD were similar. In other words, they were organizationally and tactically similar, but their ideologies had nothing in common. Occupiers would be KPD voters (with some of the more moderate ones voting SPD), and the majority of Tea Partiers would have supported the NSDAP by 1932-33, but many would have supported the DNVP and smaller parties.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that the Tea-party and Occupy were originally grassroots populist revolts against the establishment that were co-opted by Wall Street and the Democratic establishment, respectively.

Actually, I think what has been the biggest long term mistake for Occupy was that they refused to be co-opted.