SENATE BILL: Troubled Teen Protection Act (Law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Friendly, but I echo Talleyrand's concern

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Your original bill included what could be interpreted as the law placing a limit on personal effects. My amendment of that clause was intended to clear up this ambiguity.

[President Tyrion]

Friendly, but I echo Talleyrand's concern

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Your original bill included what could be interpreted as the law placing a limit on personal effects. My amendment of that clause was intended to clear up this ambiguity.

I literally introduced Devin's version. That's not necessarily reflective of my viewpoint.

[Fed. Pac. Chairman Devin]

Friendly, but I echo Talleyrand's concern

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Your original bill included what could be interpreted as the law placing a limit on personal effects. My amendment of that clause was intended to clear up this ambiguity.

Sorry I am not the most articulate at typing. I put the limit in to keep it reasonable. How many personal items can you bring? Most of these camps are in rural Utah/Montana, so its not like you're going to be bringing an Xbox.

[President Tyrion]

Friendly, but I echo Talleyrand's concern

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Your original bill included what could be interpreted as the law placing a limit on personal effects. My amendment of that clause was intended to clear up this ambiguity.

Sorry I am not the most articulate at typing. I put the limit in to keep it reasonable. How many personal items can you bring? Most of these camps are in rural Utah/Montana, so its not like you're going to be bringing an Xbox.

I think we can leave it up to the institution.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has been adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We finished now?

[Talleyrand]

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An amendment.

[President Tyrion]

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Sorry, Talleyrand, saw your amendment as you were typing mine. Would you like to incorporate your amendment into mine?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

While it's fine to make sure campers are allowed to bring some personal effects, camps should be able to prohibit items that don't fit in with the camp environment.  Do we want the DoIA to be reviewing appeals from kids who are told they can't bring their iphones?

[President Tyrion]

While it's fine to make sure campers are allowed to bring some personal effects, camps should be able to prohibit items that don't fit in with the camp environment.  Do we want the DoIA to be reviewing appeals from kids who are told they can't bring their iphones?

Camps still have that right. I don't know if there's a better way to deal with recourse for involuntary campgoers.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So, what is the sponsors judgement on Talleyrand's amendment? Or is it going to be withdrawn? If not I will be starting a vote sometime later tonight on it.

[Talleyrand]

I withdraw my amendment and endorse Tyrion's.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are we done with this when the amendment has been completed.

[President Tyrion]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

[President Tyrion]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

Hm, well involuntary campers are generally there for disciplinary reasons, so I can support cutting some of it.

I don't want to see "shall not be prohibited from bringing personal effects which are necessary for their well being" cut, though.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

Hm, well involuntary campers are generally there for disciplinary reasons, so I can support cutting some of it.

I don't want to see "shall not be prohibited from bringing personal effects which are necessary for their well being" cut, though.

That seems like it will be very subjective in interpretation.

[President Tyrion]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

Hm, well involuntary campers are generally there for disciplinary reasons, so I can support cutting some of it.

I don't want to see "shall not be prohibited from bringing personal effects which are necessary for their well being" cut, though.

That seems like it will be very subjective in interpretation.

The entire point of this bill is to decrease the dictatorial power of these camps. They should not be allowed to deprive a camper of necessary medication or whatnot.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

Hm, well involuntary campers are generally there for disciplinary reasons, so I can support cutting some of it.

I don't want to see "shall not be prohibited from bringing personal effects which are necessary for their well being" cut, though.

That seems like it will be very subjective in interpretation.

The entire point of this bill is to decrease the dictatorial power of these camps. They should not be allowed to deprive a camper of necessary medication or whatnot.

The problem is defining the "whatnot."

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nice text. You gonna offer that at some point?

[President Tyrion]

Friendly if he offers it

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Nice text. You gonna offer that at some point?

I say I'm going to offer an amendment and then I post something that looks a lot like an amendment. So yes, you may consider that an amendment.