Major protests against Venezuelan government
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 28, 2024, 12:45:46 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  International General Discussion (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  Major protests against Venezuelan government
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3
Author Topic: Major protests against Venezuelan government  (Read 4637 times)
Snowstalker Mk. II
Snowstalker
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,414
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: February 12, 2014, 10:14:00 PM »
« edited: March 05, 2014, 10:34:08 PM by Snowstalker »

Several dead, including a couple killed by pro-government militia (FTR I don't support any of the violence on either side) and one member of said militia killed by the fascists (proof that these are anything but "peaceful protests" and probably part of another coup plan).

I'm sure Obama has something to do with it just like Bush did 12 years ago; he wants that oil, and the Western media will surely portray these as peaceful, idealistic democratic protesters, which is a blatant lie.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/02/venezuela-anti-government-rally-turns-deadly-2014212195829466475.html
Logged
Deus Naturae
Deus naturae
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,637
Croatia


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 10:38:19 PM »

The militia started firing into the crowd. Of course they're going to retaliate. Condemning them for killing one of the vigilantes is like condemning someone for shooting a guy to prevent him from killing his family...
Logged
Vosem
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,623
United States


Political Matrix
E: 8.13, S: -6.09

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 10:56:14 PM »

I wish these FFs nothing but success in their endeavors.
Logged
Snowstalker Mk. II
Snowstalker
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,414
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2014, 11:36:09 PM »

The militia started firing into the crowd. Of course they're going to retaliate. Condemning them for killing one of the vigilantes is like condemning someone for shooting a guy to prevent him from killing his family...

The militias are trying to stop a fascist coup.
Logged
Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,611


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2014, 11:38:40 PM »

Maduro is going to rack up a massive death toll before his ill-gotten presidency ends in a coup. Only way these things go.
Logged
RogueBeaver
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,058
Canada
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2014, 11:42:14 PM »

Maduro is going to rack up a massive death toll before his ill-gotten presidency ends in a coup. Only way these things go.

Yeah. I haven't followed Venezuela since the election, but even then the military and civilian hardliners were ready to pounce if they felt Maduro was going wobbly. Cabello, Adna Chavez and the generals will decide.
Logged
Zioneer
PioneerProgress
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,451
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2014, 11:59:33 PM »

Dude Snowstalker, your "Dear Leader" shtick isn't funny. Besides, the right-wingers are far to the left of America's right-wingers. They're certainly not fascist.
Logged
Deus Naturae
Deus naturae
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,637
Croatia


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2014, 12:01:14 AM »

The militia started firing into the crowd. Of course they're going to retaliate. Condemning them for killing one of the vigilantes is like condemning someone for shooting a guy to prevent him from killing his family...

The militias are trying to stop a fascist coup.
So you call the protestors fascists while advocating unprovoked violence against student protestors and try to justify it by claiming that the protestors are trying to undermine the state...

Seriously, how would you have responded if the NYPD indiscriminately fired into a crowd of Occupy Wall Street protestors and one of the Occupiers responded by killing a police officer? I doubt you would "condemn both sides" in that case.
Logged
Snowstalker Mk. II
Snowstalker
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,414
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2014, 12:09:52 AM »

Dude Snowstalker, your "Dear Leader" shtick isn't funny. Besides, the right-wingers are far to the left of America's right-wingers. They're certainly not fascist.

Not really true; Venezuela before Chavez (and the Venezuelan right now) went between awful fascists and awful neoliberals; the protesters are just tools of the military and corrupt opposition politicians just like the Thai right. Some of the protesters are also tepid social democrats/liberals who will inevitably support the military dictatorship when it comes around.

And Deus, the difference is that one group is trying to replace a socialist democracy with a neoliberal dictatorship while the other is fighting for freedom.
Logged
Associate Justice PiT
PiT (The Physicist)
Atlas Politician
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 31,135
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2014, 02:51:48 AM »

Dude Snowstalker, your "Dear Leader" shtick isn't funny. Besides, the right-wingers are far to the left of America's right-wingers. They're certainly not fascist.

Not really true; Venezuela before Chavez (and the Venezuelan right now) went between awful fascists and awful neoliberals; the protesters are just tools of the military and corrupt opposition politicians just like the Thai right. Some of the protesters are also tepid social democrats/liberals who will inevitably support the military dictatorship when it comes around.

And Deus, the difference is that one group is trying to replace a socialist democracy with a neoliberal dictatorship while the other is fighting for freedom.

     A democracy where opponents are killed. Defending an obvious villain like Maduro doesn't really help your cause.
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,401
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2014, 07:16:25 AM »

Venezuela before Chavez (and the Venezuelan right now) went between awful fascists and awful neoliberals

[citation needed]
Logged
Edu
Ufokart
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,864
Argentina


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2014, 07:59:27 AM »

"Fascist uprising"

LOL

Reminds me of all the criticism I get from the kirchnerists I know every time I dare speak against the government (I think Oligarch is the nicest thing they say to me Grin)
Logged
Comrade Funk
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,136
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.16, S: -5.91

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2014, 10:11:35 AM »

Your gimmick is a joke, and disgusting to be quite honest.
Logged
Snowstalker Mk. II
Snowstalker
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,414
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2014, 10:13:59 AM »

Your gimmick is a joke, and disgusting to be quite honest.

So is the coming military dictatorship that whores itself out to American and European investors.
Logged
Rocky Rockefeller
Nelson Rockefeller 152
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 447
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.68, S: -4.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2014, 11:07:30 AM »

Snowstalker, what evidence do you have that the protesters are fascists?
Logged
Snowstalker Mk. II
Snowstalker
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,414
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2014, 11:09:00 AM »

Snowstalker, what evidence do you have that the protesters are fascists?

2002
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2014, 11:29:03 AM »

Why would the fascists need to start an uprising in Venezuela? They have been in power for the last 15 years. Against whom would they be rebelling?
Logged
Snowstalker Mk. II
Snowstalker
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,414
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2014, 11:33:46 AM »

Why would the fascists need to start an uprising in Venezuela? They have been in power for the last 15 years. Against whom would they be rebelling?

Venezuela has clearly been a democracy for the past 15 years except for a couple days of fascist dictatorship in 2002. Chavez's attempts to amend the constitution to extend his own power were rejected and he fully accepted the results.
Logged
Paul Kemp
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,230
United States
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2014, 11:49:40 AM »

Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2014, 02:05:48 PM »
« Edited: February 13, 2014, 02:10:28 PM by ag »

Why would the fascists need to start an uprising in Venezuela? They have been in power for the last 15 years. Against whom would they be rebelling?

Venezuela has clearly been a democracy for the past 15 years except for a couple days of fascist dictatorship in 2002. Chavez's attempts to amend the constitution to extend his own power were rejected and he fully accepted the results.

Venezuela does still retain certain democratic institutions - despite the severe damage done to them by the fascist regime over the last 15 years. But I do not think this is going to stay there for long. Chavez, it should be granted to him, was charismatic and loved winning in an actually contested race. True, he stacked the system heavily in his favor - but let the (heavily disadvantaged) opposition compete (within limits): he thought it was fun. Maduro will not be winning elections in the future, and he knows it. So, frankly, I do not think we will have many more elections in Venezuela under this regime.

In any case, ideologically they are run-of-the-mill fascists, Mussolini copycats. Which, of course, makes them the darlings of the ultra-right-wingers, like you.
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2014, 02:13:06 PM »

In any case, all the information available suggests an attack of pro-government vigilantes on a peaceful opposition demonstration.
Logged
Snowstalker Mk. II
Snowstalker
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,414
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2014, 02:21:27 PM »
« Edited: February 13, 2014, 02:40:07 PM by Snowstalker »

In any case, all the information available suggests an attack of pro-government vigilantes on a peaceful opposition demonstration.

Which is why the demonstrators shot back? This is obviously the precursor to another coup, and if not that then it clearly disproves the veil of "peaceful protest against teh evul socialists!!!!1!"

The rest of your propaganda isn't worth responding to of course.
Logged
Deus Naturae
Deus naturae
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,637
Croatia


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2014, 04:15:18 PM »

In any case, all the information available suggests an attack of pro-government vigilantes on a peaceful opposition demonstration.

Which is why the demonstrators shot back? This is obviously the precursor to another coup, and if not that then it clearly disproves the veil of "peaceful protest against teh evul socialists!!!!1!"

The rest of your propaganda isn't worth responding to of course.
So you believe the demonstrators should have stood there and taken it?

Also, how is the ideology of the protestors at all relevant? Do you believe that the freedom to protest the government should only be granted to those who share your views?
Logged
ag
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,828


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2014, 05:06:19 PM »
« Edited: February 13, 2014, 05:08:35 PM by ag »

In any case, all the information available suggests an attack of pro-government vigilantes on a peaceful opposition demonstration.

Which is why the demonstrators shot back? This is obviously the precursor to another coup, and if not that then it clearly disproves the veil of "peaceful protest against teh evul socialists!!!!1!"

The rest of your propaganda isn't worth responding to of course.

If you bothered to read anything beyond the government statements (I know, going beyond government propaganda would be treason to your fascist ideals, but I could always hope), you would know that a) the demonstrations themselves are fairly small (by recent standards) and not even encouraged by many of the opposition leaders (e.g. Capriles) who think that the timing is wrong for major protests, coming in a fairly quite period politically, and b) that this is far from the first time that demonstrators have been attacked by the government thugs. That among the protesters there may have been someone armed and that that person may have shot in response (could be true, though not proven at that point) is not at all indicative of an attempted coup. What the whole brouhaha seems to be indicative of is that the government might be considering using the attack on the demonstrations by its own goons as a pretext for further limiting, if not destroying the still surviving democratic institutions in Venezuela. Which, naturally, for such a fascist sympathizer as yourself, would not be much regrettable.
Logged
Oakvale
oakvale
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,827
Ukraine
Political Matrix
E: -0.77, S: -4.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2014, 05:24:45 PM »

"Fascist uprising". Hahaha.

 Isn't inflation in Venezuela at 50% or something? Everything I've heard about the place recently indicates the country's on the verge of collapse. Demonstrations are hardly surprising, nor is the near-inevitability that the government will use this an excuse to crack down on dissent.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.052 seconds with 13 queries.