UKIP - A Libertarian Party?

[Indy Texas]

Are the Republican Party a Pan-Slavic party? Some parties and ideologies don't make sense outside of the cultural context they was born in, and American Libertarianism are one of those parties. They would in an international context just be described as a Neo-Liberal or Anarcho Capitalist party (the latter description are more of the description of the ideology some of its members hold, than their official ideology). So it doesn't make sense to talk about an Libertarian Party outside USA (unless it's European anarchist we're talking about) or in an context where people have been so assimilated into an American political context that they're unelectable abroad.
  

I agree. The Libertarian Party arose largely in response to dissatisfaction with the direction the Republican Party was taking as it consolidated its Social Conservative, Defense Hawk and Pro-Business blocs and integrated the conservative wing of the Democratic Party into the coalition.

The insistence on keeping religious-influenced social conservatism and economic "liberalism" (non-US term) joined at the hip is a distinctly American phenomenon. Maybe it's because the European Right had the additional mission of preserving the old aristocratic order, while America had no Old Order to preserve apart from a very Middle Class White preconceived notion (not especially historically accurate) of what "Traditional America" was like and how best to preserve it.

[Famous Mortimer]

Are the Republican Party a Pan-Slavic party? Some parties and ideologies don't make sense outside of the cultural context they was born in, and American Libertarianism are one of those parties. They would in an international context just be described as a Neo-Liberal or Anarcho Capitalist party (the latter description are more of the description of the ideology some of its members hold, than their official ideology). So it doesn't make sense to talk about an Libertarian Party outside USA (unless it's European anarchist we're talking about) or in an context where people have been so assimilated into an American political context that they're unelectable abroad.
  

I agree. The Libertarian Party arose largely in response to dissatisfaction with the direction the Republican Party was taking as it consolidated its Social Conservative, Defense Hawk and Pro-Business blocs and integrated the conservative wing of the Democratic Party into the coalition.

The insistence on keeping religious-influenced social conservatism and economic "liberalism" (non-US term) joined at the hip is a distinctly American phenomenon. Maybe it's because the European Right had the additional mission of preserving the old aristocratic order, while America had no Old Order to preserve apart from a very Middle Class White preconceived notion (not especially historically accurate) of what "Traditional America" was like and how best to preserve it.

The Libertarian Party was not dissatisfied with the GOP because they became socially conservative. They were dissatisfied because their right-wing economics weren't right-wing enough. The early Libertarian Party focused almost entirely on economics. Their social liberalism was basically limited to the fact that they didn't care one way or the other.

[TTS1996]

Libertarianism!

[Deus Naturae]

Are the Republican Party a Pan-Slavic party? Some parties and ideologies don't make sense outside of the cultural context they was born in, and American Libertarianism are one of those parties. They would in an international context just be described as a Neo-Liberal or Anarcho Capitalist party (the latter description are more of the description of the ideology some of its members hold, than their official ideology). So it doesn't make sense to talk about an Libertarian Party outside USA (unless it's European anarchist we're talking about) or in an context where people have been so assimilated into an American political context that they're unelectable abroad.
  

I agree. The Libertarian Party arose largely in response to dissatisfaction with the direction the Republican Party was taking as it consolidated its Social Conservative, Defense Hawk and Pro-Business blocs and integrated the conservative wing of the Democratic Party into the coalition.

The insistence on keeping religious-influenced social conservatism and economic "liberalism" (non-US term) joined at the hip is a distinctly American phenomenon. Maybe it's because the European Right had the additional mission of preserving the old aristocratic order, while America had no Old Order to preserve apart from a very Middle Class White preconceived notion (not especially historically accurate) of what "Traditional America" was like and how best to preserve it.

The Libertarian Party was not dissatisfied with the GOP because they became socially conservative. They were dissatisfied because their right-wing economics weren't right-wing enough. The early Libertarian Party focused almost entirely on economics. Their social liberalism was basically limited to the fact that they didn't care one way or the other.

You really think so? The original 1972 LP platform included support for legalization of all drugs, repeal of all anti-suicide, anti-sodomy, anti-pornography etc. laws, and ending the surveillance state. That doesn't really sound like apathetic social liberalism.

[Comrade Funk]

Libertarianism!

That's not libertarianism. It gets a big protectionist/nationalist vibe from me.

[All Along The Watchtower]

People need to stop throwing around Political Compass labels.

[Lief 🗽]

I think most small-l libertarians would be UKIPers if they lived in the UK, but the answer to the poll question is no.

[Person Man]

The question is kinda moot because we don't even know what an American libertarian is let alone what a British one is. But by "liberal", I would say they are pretty much the opposite.

[Mordecai]

No, they're basically a fascist party.

[Zanas]

[Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends]

No, they're basically a fascist party.

You're thinking of the BNP.

To answer the poll, while some libertarians would be in home in UKIP, the party is more of a generally all-around right-wing party.

[Blair]

UKIP only say Liberatian because it sounds dodgy to say far right on their website.

The only libertarian theme they have is that they opposed the smoking ban and suddenly that makes them liertarian some how.

They don't support gay marriage
They lean towards nationalization of the economy
They don't support decriminalizing drugs
They don't support any sort of immigration

Yeah, they really stand up for the rights of the individual   

[Sec. of State Superique]

LOL, Say that for the UKIP leaders, I'm not making up with this. Even so, as a matter of comparison, the UKIP looks like more a sort of Reform Party during the Pat Buchanan Era.

[Peter the Lefty]

No.  They are crypto-fascists.

EDIT: Before you laugh, the DNVP were also crypto-fascists, and these are essentially a modern British incarnation of the DNVP.

[Supersonic]

No.  They are crypto-fascists.

EDIT: Before you laugh, the DNVP were also crypto-fascists, and these are essentially a modern British incarnation of the DNVP.

Nope.

[Person Man]

I'm some respects, they are probably not the manic right of Cruz or Palin but they are definitely not "Libertarian". They seem to be more Buchananite with people like Wallace and the Pauls weaving in and out. You can say they are Paleoconservatives or those who are in between the far far right and pseudolibertarian conservatives (who could be considered paleoconservatives themselves). 

[Goldwater]

UKIP only say Liberatian because it sounds dodgy to say far right on their website.

The only libertarian theme they have is that they opposed the smoking ban and suddenly that makes them liertarian some how.

They don't support gay marriage
They lean towards nationalization of the economy
They don't support decriminalizing drugs
They don't support any sort of immigration

Yeah, they really stand up for the rights of the individual   

Really? I was unaware of this...

[Cassius]

UKIP only say Liberatian because it sounds dodgy to say far right on their website.

The only libertarian theme they have is that they opposed the smoking ban and suddenly that makes them liertarian some how.

They don't support gay marriage
They lean towards nationalization of the economy
They don't support decriminalizing drugs
They don't support any sort of immigration

Yeah, they really stand up for the rights of the individual   

Really? I was unaware of this...

No, they don't support the 'nationalisation' of the economy, whatever that means. The immigration point is a little dubious as well.

[Blair]

UKIP only say Liberatian because it sounds dodgy to say far right on their website.

The only libertarian theme they have is that they opposed the smoking ban and suddenly that makes them liertarian some how.

They don't support gay marriage
They lean towards nationalization of the economy
They don't support decriminalizing drugs
They don't support any sort of immigration

Yeah, they really stand up for the rights of the individual   

Really? I was unaware of this...

No, they don't support the 'nationalisation' of the economy, whatever that means. The immigration point is a little dubious as well.

UKIP is moving towards the left economically, I'd argue that there member base (which is very powerful compared to LIBLABCON in the decision making process) strongly think that trains and other industries should be owned by the government.