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Question: Because someone from an entirely different time and culture *totally* fits into contemporary labels, amirite?
#1
Jesus was obviously a socialist peace-loving hippie!
 
#2
No way, Jesus loves the Promised Land aka America and would be a Republican today!
 
#3
This entire "debate"  is ridiculous
 
#4
I like voting in polls, and I will pray for you! Smiley
 
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« on: February 19, 2014, 01:02:34 PM »

Really. You're basing everything you know about Jesus from two sources. The first of which is the New Testament of the Bible, which is not at all historically reliable. The second is the writings of first century Christian writers. How about first century non-Christian writers? Zero mention of Jesus. This is probably because early Christianity was even more of a pagan, myth-centered cult than it is today.

So Josephus was a Christian?  Because he certainly is a first Century writer who mentioned him.  Now I can see doubting that the miracles associated with the birth, baptism, ministry, and crucifixion of Jesus happened, but there really is no basis to doubt that Jesus the son of Mary lived in Galilee, was baptized by John the Baptist, gathered disciples and evangelized, and then was crucified. Even a myth has to start somewhere.
Antiquities of the Jews has some very obvious Christian bias.

...no.
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2014, 09:39:18 AM »

FFs because I am one.
Jesus supported social justice in his time.
Democrats support social justice.
Therefore, Jesus would support Democrats.
It's simple logic.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2014, 11:37:22 PM »

FFs because I am one.
Jesus supported social justice in his time.
Democrats support social justice.
Therefore, Jesus would support Democrats.
It's simple logic.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.
Social justice is social justice. A=A. This is a very simple logical law.

Does the Catholic Church's Magisterium mean the same set of issues when it says 'social justice' as such-and-such dot tumblr dot com means when it says 'social justice'?
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2014, 11:44:06 PM »

FFs because I am one.
Jesus supported social justice in his time.
Democrats support social justice.
Therefore, Jesus would support Democrats.
It's simple logic.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.
Social justice is social justice. A=A. This is a very simple logical law.

Does the Catholic Church's Magisterium mean the same set of issues when it says 'social justice' as such-and-such dot tumblr dot com means when it says 'social justice'?
They are different in practice, but they ultimately mean the same thing.

See, the thing is, A=A is a very simple logical law, but it's not always true of the way people actually use language, so...
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014, 12:15:14 AM »

FFs because I am one.
Jesus supported social justice in his time.
Democrats support social justice.
Therefore, Jesus would support Democrats.
It's simple logic.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.
Social justice is social justice. A=A. This is a very simple logical law.

Does the Catholic Church's Magisterium mean the same set of issues when it says 'social justice' as such-and-such dot tumblr dot com means when it says 'social justice'?
They are different in practice, but they ultimately mean the same thing.

See, the thing is, A=A is a very simple logical law, but it's not always true of the way people actually use language, so...
I don't know what you're getting at.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2014, 02:21:56 PM »

FFs because I am one.
Jesus supported social justice in his time.
Democrats support social justice.
Therefore, Jesus would support Democrats.
It's simple logic.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.
Social justice is social justice. A=A. This is a very simple logical law.

Does the Catholic Church's Magisterium mean the same set of issues when it says 'social justice' as such-and-such dot tumblr dot com means when it says 'social justice'?
They are different in practice, but they ultimately mean the same thing.

See, the thing is, A=A is a very simple logical law, but it's not always true of the way people actually use language, so...
I don't know what you're getting at.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.



My retort to that was while their 'social justice' takes different forms, both are, at the core, the same thing.

Your retort didn't really help because it didn't explain how the Democratic Party has a monopoly on that core, as opposed to just certain manifestations of it.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2014, 05:30:55 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2014, 06:17:00 PM by asexual trans victimologist »

FFs because I am one.
Jesus supported social justice in his time.
Democrats support social justice.
Therefore, Jesus would support Democrats.
It's simple logic.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.
Social justice is social justice. A=A. This is a very simple logical law.

Does the Catholic Church's Magisterium mean the same set of issues when it says 'social justice' as such-and-such dot tumblr dot com means when it says 'social justice'?
They are different in practice, but they ultimately mean the same thing.

See, the thing is, A=A is a very simple logical law, but it's not always true of the way people actually use language, so...
I don't know what you're getting at.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.



My retort to that was while their 'social justice' takes different forms, both are, at the core, the same thing.

Your retort didn't really help because it didn't explain how the Democratic Party has a monopoly on that core, as opposed to just certain manifestations of it.
The Democrats do have a monopoly, though. A good gage of the social justice scene is tumblr and when tumblr only supports one party it is the social justice party. There are no republican demisexuals for a reason.

Does the fact that there are (one assumes) few or no genderqueer cardinals then also mean that the Catholic Church doesn't talk about something that it calls 'social justice', even though it manifestly does all the time and you implicitly admitted as much several posts ago?

Also, a lot of people on tumblr are what we on this forum call True Leftists. Such people almost invariably consider the Democratic Party, or at least its leading figures, insufficiently left-wing to be worth bothering to vote for.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014, 07:45:36 PM »

FFs because I am one.
Jesus supported social justice in his time.
Democrats support social justice.
Therefore, Jesus would support Democrats.
It's simple logic.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.
Social justice is social justice. A=A. This is a very simple logical law.

Does the Catholic Church's Magisterium mean the same set of issues when it says 'social justice' as such-and-such dot tumblr dot com means when it says 'social justice'?
They are different in practice, but they ultimately mean the same thing.

See, the thing is, A=A is a very simple logical law, but it's not always true of the way people actually use language, so...
I don't know what you're getting at.

'Social justice' means different things to different people.



My retort to that was while their 'social justice' takes different forms, both are, at the core, the same thing.

Your retort didn't really help because it didn't explain how the Democratic Party has a monopoly on that core, as opposed to just certain manifestations of it.
The Democrats do have a monopoly, though. A good gage of the social justice scene is tumblr and when tumblr only supports one party it is the social justice party. There are no republican demisexuals for a reason.

Does the fact that there are (one assumes) few or no genderqueer cardinals then also mean that the Catholic Church doesn't talk about something that it calls 'social justice', even though it manifestly does all the time and you implicitly admitted as much several posts ago?

Also, a lot of people on tumblr are what we on this forum call True Leftists. Such people almost invariably consider the Democratic Party, or at least its leading figures, insufficiently left-wing to be worth bothering to vote for.
All of that is true, but my argument is that everyone from Catholics to Otherkin have the same basic desire, social justice, but it is simply manifested in different forms. The facts on the ground, like the catholic church often being anti-queer, are simply artifacts of mass politics. I would say a similar comparison to this social justice group would be the fact that Democrats and Republicans are all classical liberals but each are morphed into different shapes by mass politics.

I understand and agree with that claim but I'm trying to explain why I think that it directly contradicts your other claim that Democrats are the singular 'party of social justice' and we can tell this because tumblr leftism. If anything, you're making an argument for the third option in this poll.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 07:55:33 PM »

I do certainly see the merit in the third option and can't really refute it. I just think of Jesus being a proto-democrat as a Moorean truth.

Oh okay! That makes a lot more sense. I think it's ridiculous but it makes a lot more sense.
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