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Question: Which commonly made sage talking point is more annoying?
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Nixon was more liberal than any Presidents who followed him		  
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The Democrats are to the right of all European parties		  
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« on: February 16, 2014, 08:38:28 PM »
Tough call.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2014, 09:04:06 PM »
Indeed. I'm going with option two, as Nixon did have a "liberal" domestic policy crafted by the Democrats in Congress, but that does not make him a "liberal" in any possible way.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 09:07:59 PM »
Can I vote for both somehow?
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 09:31:37 PM »
Option 1
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 10:02:43 PM »
I think the one that states that the Democrats are more right-wing than literal neo-Nazis is the worse one, thank you very much.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 10:22:54 PM »
I don't believe either of these things at all.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 10:41:50 PM »

ha.  A rare point of agreement between us.  

I may eventually vote in this thread, but for the moment all I can think of in answer to your question is best expressed in the quote.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 10:49:36 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2014, 01:39:44 AM »
Quote from: Snowstalker on February 16, 2014, 10:22:54 PM
I don't believe either of these things at all.

I wasn't thinking of you. I guess though that they are more "Serious Person" talking points.
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 01:48:16 AM »
I have yet to see either of these arguments made on the forum.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2014, 01:54:46 AM »
Quote from: Assemblyman & Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 17, 2014, 01:48:16 AM
I have yet to see either of these arguments made on the forum.

You haven't been paying close attention then. Both of them just happened yesterday.
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2014, 01:48:23 PM »
The Democrats aren't to the right of all European Parties (obviously), but they're to the right of most Conservative Parties in Europe.
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2014, 02:00:55 PM »
Quote from: IceSpear on February 17, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
The Democrats aren't to the right of all European Parties (obviously), but they're to the right of most Conservative Parties in Europe.

No.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 02:10:12 PM »
Quote from: Lіef on February 17, 2014, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: IceSpear on February 17, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
The Democrats aren't to the right of all European Parties (obviously), but they're to the right of most Conservative Parties in Europe.

No.

Yes.
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2014, 02:28:27 PM »
Quote from: IceSpear on February 17, 2014, 02:10:12 PM
Quote from: Lіef on February 17, 2014, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: IceSpear on February 17, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
The Democrats aren't to the right of all European Parties (obviously), but they're to the right of most Conservative Parties in Europe.

No.

Yes.

Speaking as someone who rather dislikes the Democratic Party, no, they are not to the right of European mainstream conservatives.
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 02:37:54 PM »
Quote from: Snowstalker on February 17, 2014, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: IceSpear on February 17, 2014, 02:10:12 PM
Quote from: Lіef on February 17, 2014, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: IceSpear on February 17, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
The Democrats aren't to the right of all European Parties (obviously), but they're to the right of most Conservative Parties in Europe.

No.

Yes.

Speaking as someone who rather dislikes the Democratic Party, no, they are not to the right of European mainstream conservatives.

In what ways? I could see the argument that they're relatively similar, but there's no way that the Democratic Party is substantially to the left of, say, the UK Conservative Party.
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 03:43:11 PM »
The American political reality doesn't allow Democrats to be what they should be, but that doesn't make them further to the right than conservative parties (who, I might add, would also be more right-wing if they could, usually).
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2014, 03:44:11 PM »
Quote from: Franzl on February 17, 2014, 03:43:11 PM
The American political reality doesn't allow Democrats to be what they should be, but that doesn't make them further to the right than conservative parties (who, I might add, would also be more right-wing if they could, usually).

This.
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 03:52:23 PM »
Quote from: Franzl on February 17, 2014, 03:43:11 PM
The American political reality doesn't allow Democrats to be what they should be, but that doesn't make them further to the right than conservative parties (who, I might add, would also be more right-wing if they could, usually).

Who cares about "what they could be"? We're talking about what they are.
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2014, 03:53:40 PM »
Quote from: IceSpear on February 17, 2014, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: Franzl on February 17, 2014, 03:43:11 PM
The American political reality doesn't allow Democrats to be what they should be, but that doesn't make them further to the right than conservative parties (who, I might add, would also be more right-wing if they could, usually).

Who cares about "what they could be"? We're talking about what they are.

Way to completely ignore the actual point of his statement, which I've taken the liberty of "bold"ing for you.
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2014, 04:01:35 PM »
Quote from: Cathcon on February 17, 2014, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: IceSpear on February 17, 2014, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: Franzl on February 17, 2014, 03:43:11 PM
The American political reality doesn't allow Democrats to be what they should be, but that doesn't make them further to the right than conservative parties (who, I might add, would also be more right-wing if they could, usually).

Who cares about "what they could be"? We're talking about what they are.

Way to completely ignore the actual point of his statement, which I've taken the liberty of "bold"ing for you.

Yet every statement to this effect has had no supporting evidence.




Here's two charts for the Conservative Party in the UK and the standard bearer of the Democratic Party. The Conservative Party is slightly to his right. Hardly the wide ideological gulf that people here are suggesting.
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2014, 04:09:20 PM »
Again, you're comparing apples and oranges. Both the American Left and the European Right support what is politically feasible in their respective societies.

Sure the policy results of American Democrats, when in government, leave a lot to be desired from a left-wing perspective, but their actual ideology is not to the right of European conservative parties.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2014, 04:11:07 PM »
"Sage" has officially jumped the shark.
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2014, 04:13:05 PM »
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lol, mittens and obama being ideologically identical, good test, much accurate
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2014, 04:15:21 PM »
Is Political Compass still a thing that people take seriously?
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