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Question: Do you support capatalism overall?
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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2014, 03:51:16 PM »


There's no such thing as a pure socialist state or a pure capitalist state. Everything is a blend to some extent.
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2014, 04:20:35 PM »


There's no such thing as a pure socialist state or a pure capitalist state. Everything is a blend to some extent.

Socialism isn't about government-run services (healthcare, education, transportation, etc), as many American liberals who call themselves "socialists" seem to believe. Socialism refers to the means of production being publicly owned.
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2014, 05:20:02 PM »

Yes in the context of a social market economy/social democracy
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2014, 05:22:59 PM »

No (I/O)
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2014, 05:24:45 PM »


There's no such thing as a pure socialist state or a pure capitalist state. Everything is a blend to some extent.

Socialism isn't about government-run services (healthcare, education, transportation, etc), as many American liberals who call themselves "socialists" seem to believe. Socialism refers to the means of production being publicly owned.

The government represents and is an extension of the public. At least in an ideal sense.
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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2014, 05:54:10 PM »

industry=/=services
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2014, 07:36:29 PM »

Do I support the economic theory that built the modern world as we know it? Of course.
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2014, 07:53:40 PM »


There's no such thing as a pure socialist state or a pure capitalist state. Everything is a blend to some extent.

Socialism isn't about government-run services (healthcare, education, transportation, etc), as many American liberals who call themselves "socialists" seem to believe. Socialism refers to the means of production being publicly owned.

The government represents and is an extension of the public. At least in an ideal sense.

The public? What an absurd notion. The government represents and is an extension of a portion of the public, but to say that it represents all of us is nonsense. When was the last time a truck driver got elected to Congress, for instance? Or how about the last time someone without a high school education got elected President? Government certainly represents some people, but it in no way represents the vast majority of Americans, who are of course, working class people.
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2014, 09:34:06 PM »


That's actually quite the stupid error on my part, thanks for noticing.
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2014, 09:36:31 PM »


There's no such thing as a pure socialist state or a pure capitalist state. Everything is a blend to some extent.

Socialism isn't about government-run services (healthcare, education, transportation, etc), as many American liberals who call themselves "socialists" seem to believe. Socialism refers to the means of production being publicly owned.

The government represents and is an extension of the public. At least in an ideal sense.

The public? What an absurd notion. The government represents and is an extension of a portion of the public, but to say that it represents all of us is nonsense. When was the last time a truck driver got elected to Congress, for instance? Or how about the last time someone without a high school education got elected President? Government certainly represents some people, but it in no way represents the vast majority of Americans, who are of course, working class people.

Yes, that is why I said "in an ideal sense".
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2014, 01:22:19 AM »

I have to say no, at least as it is run here in the US. I could support Scandinavia style capitalism however.
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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2014, 01:28:18 AM »


There's no such thing as a pure socialist state or a pure capitalist state. Everything is a blend to some extent.

Socialism isn't about government-run services (healthcare, education, transportation, etc), as many American liberals who call themselves "socialists" seem to believe. Socialism refers to the means of production being publicly owned.

The government represents and is an extension of the public. At least in an ideal sense.

So when I hear about a ban on handguns and that only the government can have them, it's okay, because that means we just gave guns to more people, right?
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2014, 02:21:29 PM »

Yes (R).  While socialism is awesome on paper, it's a massive failure almost every time it's implemented on a national scale.  Plus, when there's not a large wealthy class in society, there are fewer people who can afford to give to charitable and humanitarian efforts.
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2014, 02:32:08 PM »

Define "capitalism."

Define "supporting."

Define...define....define.
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2014, 02:38:54 PM »

Define "capitalism."

Define "supporting."

Define...define....define.

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Support: Essentially having a high enough opinion to keep it going, holding it up, accepting it, etc.
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« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2014, 09:29:56 PM »

Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry and the means of production are controlled by private owners with the goal of making profits in a market economy.

This where it gets tricky though. There are only two incompatibilities between my preferred version of socialism and the definition of capitalism you posted:

1. Property is collectively owned by the People but its management contracted out into private hands courtesy of constitutional provisions - not directed by the state itself.

2. Firms must be controlled and democratically managed by their workers.

Socialism is not synonymous with state socialism or even Marxist thought. I am fine with rigourous competition, profit motive, people earning different levels of income, and a great many other things traditionally associated more with capitalism than socialism.
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2014, 09:30:53 PM »

Do I support the economic theory that built (most of) the modern world as we know it? Of course.
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« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2014, 12:06:45 AM »

Of course I support capitalism
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« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2014, 12:28:28 AM »

Of course, but with restraints and a generous safety net. 
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« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2014, 01:17:24 AM »

No, I do not support useless, non-working social parasites robbing the productive members of society blind and subjecting them to artificial scarcity, privation, and lack of basic necessities all so said useless parasites can buy another yacht or blow a bunch of money on cocaine.

May I ask which workers' cooperative designed, built and sold the computer and operating system on which you wrote that, or which one maintains the Internet connection you're using?
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« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2014, 08:58:14 AM »

No, I do not support useless, non-working social parasites robbing the productive members of society blind and subjecting them to artificial scarcity, privation, and lack of basic necessities all so said useless parasites can buy another yacht or blow a bunch of money on cocaine.

May I ask which workers' cooperative designed, built and sold the computer and operating system on which you wrote that, or which one maintains the Internet connection you're using?

Hahaha, granted Tongue.

But really IndyTX, surely you must wonder at times how such a system encourages an extraordinary wealth gap between those who own and those who don't.  Sure, Bill Gates did that, but what gives him the right to earn so much that n generations of descendants won't have to worry about ever getting a job (not saying they won't, but it wouldn't be necessary for them to) while many families in this country won't even be able to give their kids a half decent education and thus be doomed to several more generations of poverty?
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« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2014, 09:33:07 AM »

I support some of the principles of both capitalism and socialism. No system is perfect. It's a matter of balancing the two, which is the norm in all first-world industrialized nations. In terms of the US, I think we could move more towards socialism, particularly when it comes to the healthcare system. However, I think actions can also be made towards supporting small business to support the economy.
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« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2014, 09:39:53 AM »

Capitalism is not an ideology, a theory, or anything even remotely related to either.
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« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2014, 07:51:01 PM »

Yup (Lib)
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« Reply #49 on: February 23, 2014, 10:25:26 PM »

No, I do not support useless, non-working social parasites robbing the productive members of society blind and subjecting them to artificial scarcity, privation, and lack of basic necessities all so said useless parasites can buy another yacht or blow a bunch of money on cocaine.

May I ask which workers' cooperative designed, built and sold the computer and operating system on which you wrote that, or which one maintains the Internet connection you're using?

Hahaha, granted Tongue.

But really IndyTX, surely you must wonder at times how such a system encourages an extraordinary wealth gap between those who own and those who don't.  Sure, Bill Gates did that, but what gives him the right to earn so much that n generations of descendants won't have to worry about ever getting a job (not saying they won't, but it wouldn't be necessary for them to) while many families in this country won't even be able to give their kids a half decent education and thus be doomed to several more generations of poverty?

He engaged in consensual economic agreements that were beneficial to him. In such cases where, perhaps, the exchanges were non-consensual, then yes, there'd be a platform on which to criticize him.
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