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« on: February 19, 2014, 11:30:09 PM »
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Just awful. It's one of those things that it's actually fun to hate so in a way you're sort of glad it's around...but that doesn't make up for how destructive and harmful it is.

Not surprising that attacking it is a very common lyrical topic of Christian hardcore bands.
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 11:45:54 PM »

Aside from it being morally wrong, it's totally at odds with doctrine both Biblically and philosophically for reasons that aren't even worth explaining.  It is, in a word, heresy.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 12:10:07 AM »

Unironically a vile heresy and bad theology.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 12:17:51 AM »

I have a very low opinion of people who profit off of others religious beliefs.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2014, 10:52:25 AM »

Completely disgusting.
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2014, 01:36:08 PM »

Literal and very dangerous nonsense.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 05:40:22 PM »

The very definition of Horrible Theology.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2014, 05:43:48 PM »

I'm not really sure that I agree with it that much, but, on the other hand, I do admire it for attempting to create a more positive image of the acquisition of wealth for Christians.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2014, 05:45:03 PM »

I'm not really sure that I agree with it that much, but, on the other hand, I do admire it for attempting to create a more positive image of the acquisition of wealth for Christians.

Yes because Christianity considered any sort of wealth a sin before prosperity theology came about...
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2014, 05:49:52 PM »

I'm not really sure that I agree with it that much, but, on the other hand, I do admire it for attempting to create a more positive image of the acquisition of wealth for Christians.

Yes because Christianity considered any sort of wealth a sin before prosperity theology came about...

No. However I do feel, at least in the 20th century, that a lot of Christians seem to have shifted to a position of decrying wealth as a generally dirty thing (and yes this obviously has a long-standing tradition within segments of many Christian denominations), whilst I am of the opinion that wealth, as long as it is used for moral purposes, is generally a good thing, and something that we should be thankful for.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 06:21:00 PM »

I'm not really sure that I agree with it that much, but, on the other hand, I do admire it for attempting to create a more positive image of the acquisition of wealth for Christians.

Yes because Christianity considered any sort of wealth a sin before prosperity theology came about...

No. However I do feel, at least in the 20th century, that a lot of Christians seem to have shifted to a position of decrying wealth as a generally dirty thing (and yes this obviously has a long-standing tradition within segments of many Christian denominations), whilst I am of the opinion that wealth, as long as it is used for moral purposes, is generally a good thing, and something that we should be thankful for.

Matthew 19:24? Or are you not a Christian?
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2014, 06:49:38 PM »

I'm not really sure that I agree with it that much, but, on the other hand, I do admire it for attempting to create a more positive image of the acquisition of wealth for Christians.

Yes because Christianity considered any sort of wealth a sin before prosperity theology came about...

No. However I do feel, at least in the 20th century, that a lot of Christians seem to have shifted to a position of decrying wealth as a generally dirty thing (and yes this obviously has a long-standing tradition within segments of many Christian denominations), whilst I am of the opinion that wealth, as long as it is used for moral purposes, is generally a good thing, and something that we should be thankful for.

Matthew 19:24? Or are you not a Christian?
Matthew 19:25-26? Or did you miss the point that is being made there?  It is not that having wealth is in and of itself evil, but that the rich are predisposed to think in terms of works and of purchasing what they want. But heaven is not something to be purchased but a freely offered gift of grace from God that no amount of money can purchase.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2014, 06:56:29 PM »

Even if Jesus didn't condemn rich people, it's rather hard to say he viewed material wealth favorably or as something to be thankful for.  I'm not of the mind that one must have, do, or believe x, y, z to be accepted into God's Kingdom, but let's not fool ourselves here.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2014, 07:16:49 PM »

Even if Jesus didn't condemn rich people, it's rather hard to say he viewed material wealth favorably or as something to be thankful for.  I'm not of the mind that one must have, do, or believe x, y, z to be accepted into God's Kingdom, but let's not fool ourselves here.

I think of having a certain level of wealth, comfort, etc. as something to be grateful for, personally. Also, it's important to acknowledge those who are less fortunate (for whatever reason), and help those in material AND spiritual need-not out of some sort of condescending paternalism, but because that is what Jesus calls us to do.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2014, 07:39:46 PM »

Even if Jesus didn't condemn rich people, it's rather hard to say he viewed material wealth favorably or as something to be thankful for.  I'm not of the mind that one must have, do, or believe x, y, z to be accepted into God's Kingdom, but let's not fool ourselves here.

I think of having a certain level of wealth, comfort, etc. as something to be grateful for, personally. Also, it's important to acknowledge those who are less fortunate (for whatever reason), and help those in material AND spiritual need-not out of some sort of condescending paternalism, but because that is what Jesus calls us to do.

I should put that another way, shouldn't I?  Having wealth and comfort is something to be grateful for, yes, but the greed-entrenched wealth that plagues so many people is not.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2014, 12:30:40 AM »

Well, since we're on the subject...

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2014, 09:01:54 AM »

In general I find it a horrible theology, but when that's said in general its focus on hard work and its hostility toward adultery and vices like alcohol and smoking, have worked wonder among its congregations in the third world. So I like the results while hate the theology.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2014, 12:39:57 PM »

In general I find it a horrible theology, but when that's said in general its focus on hard work and its hostility toward adultery and vices like alcohol and smoking, have worked wonder among its congregations in the third world. So I like the results while hate the theology.

Those positive features are in no respect limited to or even particularly emphasized in prosperity theology as it's generally understood.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2014, 12:40:37 PM »

In general I find it a horrible theology, but when that's said in general its focus on hard work and its hostility toward adultery and vices like alcohol and smoking, have worked wonder among its congregations in the third world. So I like the results while hate the theology.

Nonsense. Pure irredeemable nonsense.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2014, 12:50:44 PM »

In general I find it a horrible theology, but when that's said in general its focus on hard work and its hostility toward adultery and vices like alcohol and smoking, have worked wonder among its congregations in the third world. So I like the results while hate the theology.
I've heard people who are adherents go into debt spending cash they don't have, to make other people think they're rich (and therefore good Christians).
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2014, 11:44:11 PM »


Being the resident A/G poster I do have to speak. This is sad and disappointing. Not all A/G adherents, members or leadership believe in the "prosperity theology". I'm surprised this hasn't been in the media like the falls of Jimmy Swaggert or Jim and Tammy Faye.
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2014, 12:30:18 AM »


Being the resident A/G poster I do have to speak. This is sad and disappointing. Not all A/G adherents, members or leadership believe in the "prosperity theology". I'm surprised this hasn't been in the media like the falls of Jimmy Swaggert or Jim and Tammy Faye.

Yoido doesn't have many members here and they probably are all or almost all Korean expats. So this scandal isn't something that would generally resonate with Americans.  They'd see it more as "crazy Koreans" than "crazy Christians".
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2014, 06:49:56 PM »

Absolute barbarity. An ugly, degrading heresy.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2014, 11:39:06 AM »

Ugh it's really bad in the South. Down here basically there are the preachers on TV who convince people that by sending him $17.95 he will send you some holy water to put on your checkbook and you could get free money from God (no, I'm not kidding). He even has people come up on stage talking about how they received a "divine transfer" of some thousands of dollars into their bank account "Just like Perter Popoff said it would!!1!". I mean seriously what part of this don't they get. But I guess I would play along too If I got a load of money from this guy.

It's like a lottery. If you donate money to Perter Popoff there is a chance you could "win" thousands of dollars or debt elimination "from God" in the form of a "divine benefits transfer" (not kidding, Popoff knows his base well).

Another thing annoying about it is these black "mac daddy" preachers around. They all drive fancy cars and live in nice houses wearing only the best jewelry and clothes. It's obvious to anyone that the whole church is basically a vessel for him to get rich on the back of his lower-income parishioners. All justified via the "prosperity gospel".
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2014, 11:54:36 AM »

Horrible Theology, and I say this as a Christian.
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