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« on: April 08, 2004, 03:27:55 pm »
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is it possible for bill clinton to be vp? i just wondered as i dont know the law on ex presidents.
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2004, 03:29:45 pm »
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No.  The Constitution says that if you can't run for president, you can't run for Vice-President.  And since Clinton can't run for president again...
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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2004, 03:30:49 pm »
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it is not.  in the 40s the republicans were ticked off at Roosevelt and got an amendment passed limiting the President to two full terms or ten years, whichever came first.  In order to be eligible to run for VP, one must be elibible to hold the office of president.  Since Clinton served two full terms he would not be elibible.  

(but Cheney and Bush managed to get around the different home-state requirement by selling off Cheney's Dallas properties, so who knows?)
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2004, 03:32:16 pm »
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where is cheney from now then?
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2004, 03:32:56 pm »
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cheney is an enigma.  no one knows where he just came from or where he's going to next.  that's what I like very much about him.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2004, 03:34:32 pm »
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This is on the Presidential Election Process board. My answer is yes he can. Article XXII states that a person who has served two terms or more than 6 years, can not run for the office of the Presidency. Running for the office of the Vice Presidency would not be included in this.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2004, 03:39:17 pm »
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There you go.  Dems can be every bit as sleazy as we can.  I love it!

On an unrelated note, I live in the suburbs, but we do get the occassional act of civil disobedience regarding the Iraq project.  There's a Good Friday Peace Rally sponsored by some religious fanatics calling themselves Ecumenical Peace Institute planning "Acts of Witness" (civil disobediance, I think)  tomorrow morning starting at seven.  It is expected to be non-violent.  Arrests are expected.  Any one in the East Bay area should come and check out an old-fashioned Iraq war protest!  
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2004, 03:55:36 pm »
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He can't. To run for VP, you have to be ELIGIBLE to run for President. Clinton has already served two terms, thus, he is NOT eligible.
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2004, 04:43:11 pm »
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I doubt he would stoop to THAT level, cough.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2004, 05:17:15 pm »
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I doubt he would stoop to THAT level, cough.

I agree.
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2004, 05:57:14 pm »
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We have a thread for that
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2004, 08:00:52 pm »
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is it possible for bill clinton to be vp? i just wondered as i dont know the law on ex presidents.

No.

A candidate for VP must meet all the criteria for  president.

Bill has his two terms, hence cannor run for prez, hence cannot be vp.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2004, 08:11:21 pm »
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Even if Kerry could, Bill Clinton would simply bring on too much excess baggage for Kerry to even send out feelers.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2004, 08:12:55 pm »
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Even if he could, Clinton would simply bring on too much excess bagage.
That's not the question here. We are arguing the constitutional aspect of this possibility.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2004, 10:39:05 am »
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This is on the Presidential Election Process board. My answer is yes he can. Article XXII states that a person who has served two terms or more than 6 years, can not run for the office of the Presidency. Running for the office of the Vice Presidency would not be included in this.

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Amendment XII - Choosing the President, Vice-President. Ratified 6/15/1804. Note History The Electoral College

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two- thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2004, 01:05:49 pm »
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the full phrase:
"and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two- thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States".


It is in a case of the senate electing the VP, not general elections
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2004, 03:00:41 pm »
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the full phrase:
"and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two- thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States".


It is in a case of the senate electing the VP, not general elections

But the context of the *entire* article deals with the whole electoral process, both in the EC and and Congress, of choosing the President and VP.  Therefore, that sentence could be (and probably would be) construed ("construed" is such a cool legal word) as applying to the general eligibility for VP.
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2004, 04:33:47 pm »
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the full phrase:
"and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two- thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States".


It is in a case of the senate electing the VP, not general elections

But the context of the *entire* article deals with the whole electoral process, both in the EC and and Congress, of choosing the President and VP.  Therefore, that sentence could be (and probably would be) construed ("construed" is such a cool legal word) as applying to the general eligibility for VP.
Some law and History wxperts would argue about that. If something like that will happen I guess the SC will have to decide.
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2004, 05:13:54 pm »
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Funny how everyone repeated exactly what I said Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2004, 05:40:02 pm »
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We had a thread for that long ago
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2004, 05:47:37 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2004, 06:43:36 am »
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According to Steve Mount of USConstitution.net:

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Q. "Can a president serve two consecutive terms, sit out a term and then be re-elected."

A. The first phrase in the 22nd Amendment is pretty clear: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice..." You cannot be President for two terms and then be President again later. That President cannot even be Vice President, by virtue of the 12th Amendment, so unless it is repealed, two is as far as you can get.  The only exception to this whole scheme is when a person assumes the Presidency after the half-way mark in a term.  The President would have served out one term, could be elected to a second term, and is still eligible for one more full term.
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2004, 07:05:38 pm »
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There seem to be contradicting positions on this issue.
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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2004, 07:16:54 pm »
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yes, the correct position and the incorrect one.  there's very little room for subjectivity in this question, and the correct answer is no.
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2004, 07:39:05 pm »
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yes, the correct position and the incorrect one.  there's very little room for subjectivity in this question, and the correct answer is no.

IT probably won't matter, Clinton won't be the selection for VP.
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