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« on: February 26, 2014, 11:16:19 AM »

Another state proposes encouraging discrimination.

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20140226/NEWS01/302260019/missouri-state-senator-bill-wallingford
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 11:17:38 AM »

Fortunately, this will be vetoed.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 01:01:19 PM »

Yea, as disgraceful as this is, I've complete faith Nixon will do the right thing.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 01:14:27 PM »

Yea, as disgraceful as this is, I've complete faith Nixon will do the right thing.

I know it's a different Nixon, but you don't hear that every day.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 01:21:39 PM »

Can't the legislature simply override Nixon?
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 01:41:06 PM »

Can't the legislature simply override Nixon?

I don't know if they have a 2/3 majority or not, but even if they do, I think with the AZ experience they will struggle to do so. If it passes.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 01:43:35 PM »

Stuff like this and what's going on in AZ sound more like an Onion story than real life.  SMH at both for sure, but it surprises me less given the rube population in MO.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2014, 02:34:49 PM »

I understand what Wallingford is trying to do, but he's going about it the wrong way. Let the courts decide when specific performance is the proper remedy.

Overall, this isn't a detestable legislative pursuit. Imagine a gay-bashing Christian fundamentalist wanted his daughter to have special wedding dress designed by her favorite designer. The dress designer is gay and refuses to design a dress for a Christian fundamentalist.

Are you really going to force a gay designer to use his talents to further the happiness of someone who offends him? If so, you're part of the problem. Wallingford actually believes they should have the right to refuse.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 02:38:54 PM »

I understand what Wallingford is trying to do, but he's going about it the wrong way. Let the courts decide when specific performance is the proper remedy.

Overall, this isn't a detestable legislative pursuit. Imagine a gay-bashing Christian fundamentalist wanted his daughter to have special wedding dress designed by her favorite designer. The dress designer is gay and refuses to design a dress for a Christian fundamentalist.

Are you really going to force a gay designer to use his talents to further the happiness of someone who offends him?

Yes. The rights of the people matter more than the rights of businesses.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 03:08:48 PM »

There is also a bill like this in Georgia's legislature apparently.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 03:22:08 PM »
« Edited: February 26, 2014, 03:24:16 PM by Less-Progressivism, More Realism »

I think the most recent wave of these bills is motivated out of spite and anger over the fact that overt bigotry isn't nearly as socially acceptable as it used to be (especially bigotry toward gays, which has become more and more uncool within the past decade or so).

This is as much motivated by backlash against the very idea of changing social attitudes as it is motivated by actual animus against minority groups.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2014, 03:31:27 PM »

Yes. The rights of the people matter more than the rights of businesses.

People and business are the same. We only separate them for legislative convenience.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2014, 03:35:59 PM »

Yes. The rights of the people matter more than the rights of businesses.

People and business are the same. We only separate them for legislative convenience.

You don't notice any differences? Not very observant.
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2014, 03:42:29 PM »

Yes. The rights of the people matter more than the rights of businesses.

People and business are the same. We only separate them for legislative convenience.

You don't notice any differences? Not very observant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2014, 04:35:09 PM »

You don't notice any differences? Not very observant.

I know that people invented commerce and business organizations. The ambitions of businesses are always dictated by people.

I understand that business was created to pursue profit, whereas the individual pursues a more complicated metric (utility), but pretending that business is not entitled to certain protections is likely cleaving off the parts of humanity you find to be inconvenient.

Have you ever demanded that your employer pay your less money? Didn't think so. You are business. You can't run from it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2014, 04:55:45 PM »

Yes. The rights of the people matter more than the rights of businesses.

People and business are the same. We only separate them for legislative convenience.

You do not see that a business, and the act of operating a business, carries with it certain responsibilities that are not typically levied upon an individual? 
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2014, 05:45:58 PM »

The dems here got Jay Nixon for their cover, so this isn't going through even though the legislature would probably pass it overwhelmingly.

BTW, why is this happening in like every state now? Do they really think this is a good idea??
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2014, 06:18:37 PM »

The dems here got Jay Nixon for their cover, so this isn't going through even though the legislature would probably pass it overwhelmingly.

BTW, why is this happening in like every state now? Do they really think this is a good idea??


Republicans in most state legislatures are bats*** crazy.  Just like how gerrymandering can help bring out the bat**** in Congress, it does even more in State Legislatures
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2014, 07:56:18 PM »

Yes. The rights of the people matter more than the rights of businesses.

People and business are the same. We only separate them for legislative convenience.

Uh, no. Clearly you don't understand how limited liability works. The separation of people and businesses is what enables businesses to start easier and removes personal liability from the equation.

You're also assuming the rest of society is as filled with hate, discrimination and resentment as supporters of this bill are.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2014, 08:49:16 PM »

The thing I love is how marginalized ultra con Republicans saw the Arizona bill and thought, "what a great idea! We need this for our state!"

You know, even as their colleagues in other states are being beaten down over it. It's insane how terrible at mass politics Republicans are getting.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2014, 08:58:17 PM »

The thing I love is how marginalized ultra con Republicans saw the Arizona bill and thought, "what a great idea! We need this for our state!"

You know, even as their colleagues in other states are being beaten down over it. It's insane how terrible at mass politics Republicans are getting.

It would be nice if they actually thought that, it's more likely some anonymous state legislator just wants Rachel Maddow to talk about them in prime time. 
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2014, 09:06:57 PM »

I understand what Wallingford is trying to do, but he's going about it the wrong way. Let the courts decide when specific performance is the proper remedy.

Overall, this isn't a detestable legislative pursuit. Imagine a gay-bashing Christian fundamentalist wanted his daughter to have special wedding dress designed by her favorite designer. The dress designer is gay and refuses to design a dress for a Christian fundamentalist.

Are you really going to force a gay designer to use his talents to further the happiness of someone who offends him? If so, you're part of the problem. Wallingford actually believes they should have the right to refuse.

The right approach of the gay designer would be to make his homosexuality clear to her. I figure that she might have some questions about gays based upon her parents' stereotypes.

Obvious answers to unstated questions:

1. No, I did not choose homosexuality.
2. I thoroughly loathe perverts who abuse children.
3. God made me, and he made me gay.
4. I know of gays and lesbians who have very firm belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
5. Jesus had nothing against homosexuality except against temple prostitution of any kind.  
6. Your father and boyfriend trust that because I am gay I will not seduce you.
7. We ask only for equal rights -- not "special rights".
8. Children are not sex objects.

...Ultimately the antipathy to homosexuality will die as conservative-leaning businessmen discover that homophobia is bad for business -- much as was the case with antisemitism and racism.


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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2014, 11:42:02 PM »

The separation of people and businesses is what enables businesses to start easier and removes personal liability from the equation

No kidding. Maybe that's why I said we separate them for convenience.
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2014, 11:58:48 PM »

The separation of people and businesses is what enables businesses to start easier and removes personal liability from the equation

No kidding. Maybe that's why I said we separate them for convenience.

Which is precisely why they aren't "the same" as you put it. If they were "the same" then limited liability could not exist.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2014, 04:08:58 AM »

Wacky Wayne Wallingford is just that. I unfortunately live in his district (didn't vote for him, obviously) but I interviewed him in my college journalism class when he was running for a vacated state House seat based in Cape Girardeau, and he's a typical career politician. He lost the primary for that House seat and then immediately jumped into the state Senate race after Jason Crowell was term limited. I agree with the poster on here who said he's only doing this to bring primetime attention to himself so he can build his name recognition when he tries to run for higher office. He's slime but unfortunately as long as he has an R after his name, he'll continue to be reelected.
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