Kaiser: Majority wants to keep ACA in place

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AggregateDemand has literally no idea what he's talking about. 90% of what he's saying is made-up nonsense that in no way reflects what actually happened during congressional debate. The degree to which Breitbart and Fox News brainwashes people into believing in an alternate reality is terrifying.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

AggregateDemand has literally no idea what he's talking about. 90% of what he's saying is made-up nonsense that in no way reflects what actually happened during congressional debate. The degree to which Breitbart and Fox News brainwashes people into believing in an alternate reality is terrifying.

I love how that's actually his username.

[AggregateDemand]

AggregateDemand has literally no idea what he's talking about. 90% of what he's saying is made-up nonsense that in no way reflects what actually happened during congressional debate. The degree to which Breitbart and Fox News brainwashes people into believing in an alternate reality is terrifying.

President Obama wanted single payer. He didn't get it. Nancy Pelosi wanted a robust public option. She didn't get it. Democrats basically had a 2/3 majority in Congress, and Obama was in the White House. We already spend around $3,300 per capita at the federal level for public healthcare in the United States. Comparable to UK and AUS. We spend around $3,600 at all levels for public care, which is comparable to Canada.

At some point, you will realize that you have no idea what you are talking about. The funding is already there. The Democrats had complete control of the legislature and executive branches. No public option and no single-payer. Why? Because Great Society liberals. Why do you think Clinton started the Third Way? Great Society liberals.

Democrats need to wake up. If you don't want to be free-market capitalists, fine. There are plenty of sensible government options. But you're not allowed to be incompetent anymore. The US middle class cannot endure another 5 decades of firing middle-class government employees (soldiers mainly) and then replacing them 5:1 with welfare ans social security recipients. We've been kicking the can down the road for 30 years with deficit spending, and we've stripped so much money from the middle class they have to borrow their way out of poverty.

Time for the Enlightenment to reach the Democratic cave.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Actually, the Democrats only had a supermajority in the Senate from July 7 to August 25, 2009, so you're factually incorrect.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

AD, what is your basis for all this talk about "Great Society liberals" stopping single payer?

[SPC]

A poll sponsored by a health insurance company found that a majority of Americans support a health insurance mandate? Shocking!

#unskewedpolls

How is viewing with skepticism the findings of what essentially amounts to an internal poll in any way equivalent to challenging the consensus of several independent pollsters in favor of one's desired outcome? If anything, I would say those taking this poll's findings at face value are just as gullible as those that believed Dean Chambers.

[AggregateDemand]

AD, what is your basis for all this talk about "Great Society liberals" stopping single payer?

The Great Society is a welfare industrial complex within the federal government. Republicans revolted against it from day one with Goldwater, but it didn't catch on until after stagflation, and the rise of Reagan. Clinton also saw the problem during his presidency, when Hillarycare was shot to pieces by the same factions that undermined single-payer and public-option in 2009-2010. Clinton pitched the bipartisan Third Way to eliminate the welfare-industrial-complex. Didn't catch on, but he did sign the Republican welfare reform bill. Bush continued Clinton's legacy of mediocre coalition building. Obama was elected, the Democratic bureaucracy said he was going to be the new Reagan. In other words, build a potent political coalition using the backdrop of economic crisis. The populist coalition would take on the welfare industrial complex, like Reagan did when he reformed Social Security in 1983, the last social security reform to date. Obama was gunning for Medicaid/Medicare.

To overthrow the Great Society liberals and their bureaucracies, you've got to build a coalition amongst: Democrats, Republicans, and private industry (health insurance, in this case). Democrats made the charge of the light brigade, citing their mandate from the electorate. Predictably, they were smashed to bits. Everything they wanted was tossed out, and they held their noses and passed a miserable interpretation of Republican healthcare reform, which led to November 2010.

Republicans generally sit around and borrow as they wait for the political winds to change. Part of me admires Democrats for charging headlong into a bureaucracy with absolutely no chance for victory, but another part of me is dumfounded by their eagerness to suffer a crippling defeat at the hands of the bureaucracies they created over 50 years ago. Did they learn nothing during Hillarycare?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Without actually discussing what improvements would be in place, the 48% are largely irrelevant, and without saying what the alternative bill would be, the 12% are also (less) irrelevant.

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Without actually discussing what improvements would be in place, the 48% are largely irrelevant, and without saying what the alternative bill would be, the 12% are also (less) irrelevant.

The 48% are not irrelevant if the Republicans try to repeal Obamacare and don't replace it with something that preserves most of what people like such as guaranteed issue. And you can't preserve guaranteed issue without basically preserving Obamacare. Or at least the part that is used to rile people up against it, the individual mandate.

[King]

I don't think we should engage in debate with anybody who thinks SNAP is an expensive program or that Medicare has failed to accomplish it's goals.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Without actually discussing what improvements would be in place, the 48% are largely irrelevant, and without saying what the alternative bill would be, the 12% are also (less) irrelevant.

The 48% are not irrelevant if the Republicans try to repeal Obamacare and don't replace it with something that preserves most of what people like such as guaranteed issue. And you can't preserve guaranteed issue without basically preserving Obamacare. Or at least the part that is used to rile people up against it, the individual mandate.

I meant more irrelevant in terms of for the purposes of this poll.  I should've been a bit more clear about that.

[AggregateDemand]

I don't think we should engage in debate with anybody who thinks SNAP is an expensive program or that Medicare has failed to accomplish it's goals.

You need an education. Entitlements cannot be made sustainable with ignorance.

[Brittain33]

When did Obama endorse or promote single payer?

[AggregateDemand]

When did Obama endorse or promote single payer?

It was back in 2003, but it was clear that he was still operating under the single-payer mindset based upon the cost cutting promises he made. Medicaid expansion and Medicare cuts were a form of backdoor single payer, anyway. He also got in a bit of trouble for telling the AMA in 2009 that single-payer healthcare worked pretty well around the world. He's never really let go of the comprehensive single-payer dream.

Pelosi was quick to contradict him on cost-cutting and she pitched public-option as a way to protect the entitlement state and pressure the private sector. She's an old liberal who protects the Great Society so her actions are not surprising.

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And the House is attempting to repeal it for the 50th time. Of course House Republicans don't represent America, since they actually lost the popular vote.