Obama made live statement Friday from White House on Ukraine

[Mr. Morden]

Or did he already make it?  I just woke up to use the bathroom, and this is what the internet tells me…..

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/kerry-calls-russian-counterpart-express-us-concern-rising-22717808

https://twitter.com/ReutersVideo/status/439520124216025088

(Edited title so that those who come in late don't think this is something that is about to happen rather than something that happened yesterday. - TF)

[All Along The Watchtower]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/

[nuclearneo577]

Didn't really expect much, didn't get much. Hopefully things won't escalate to the point that he tried to go to congress to authorize military action again.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

The global elite that controls and profits off both Obama and Putin wants a war and they will get one. Perhaps not over Ukraine or Syria, but they will get one in the future.

[Yank2133]

The global elite that controls and profits off both Obama and Putin wants a war and they will get one. Perhaps not over Ukraine or Syria, but they will get one in the future.

Nothing is more annoying then a pure leftist.......

[King]

The global elite that controls and profits off ___________ wants _________ and they will get ________. Perhaps not __________, but they will get __________ in the future.

From now on, it might be better to just save this in your clipboard instead of having to type all that out again for every thread.

[TNF]

Is Obama going to address the fact that actual ing Nazis are in power in Ukraine now, or?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Is Obama going to address the fact that actual ing Nazis are in power in Ukraine now, or?

Of course they aren't Nazis. They have to be fighting for Freedom and Democracy if they're taking a stand against mean old Putin.

[pbrower2a]

The global elite that controls and profits off ___________ wants _________ and they will get ________. Perhaps not __________, but they will get __________ in the future.

From now on, it might be better to just save this in your clipboard instead of having to type all that out again for every thread.

Left-wing paranoia can be awful, too.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

The global elite that controls and profits off both Obama and Putin wants a war and they will get one. Perhaps not over Ukraine or Syria, but they will get one in the future.

Nothing is more annoying then a pure leftist.......

That sort of rant is really more typical of an anarchist (in the Noam Chomsky sense) than a leftist.

[TNF]

The global elite that controls and profits off both Obama and Putin wants a war and they will get one. Perhaps not over Ukraine or Syria, but they will get one in the future.

Nothing is more annoying then a pure leftist.......

That sort of rant is really more typical of an anarchist (in the Noam Chomsky sense) than a leftist.

...Anarchism is a variety of leftism...

[MaxQue]

The global elite that controls and profits off both Obama and Putin wants a war and they will get one. Perhaps not over Ukraine or Syria, but they will get one in the future.

Nothing is more annoying then a pure leftist.......

That sort of rant is really more typical of an anarchist (in the Noam Chomsky sense) than a leftist.

That's not anarchy, that's insanity.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

...Anarchism is a variety of leftism...

In a manner of speaking.  I tend to view "leftism," broadly, as a set of ideologies that view the state as an instrument to foster personal liberty and social and economic equality in society.  Anarchism is the view that all forms of hierarchy - social, economic, AND political - are impediments to liberty and equality.  To the anarchist there can be no true liberty and equality to be gained through the state.

Socialism is leftist.  Certain forms of "pure" Communism are anarchist, however, and I wouldn't define them as leftist.

[ag]

Is Obama going to address the fact that actual ing Nazis are in power in Ukraine now, or?

Why are you suggesting that he should blatantly lie?

[Peeperkorn]

Carter 2.0

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

...are you guys seriously advocating that the US militarily intervene against Russia?

[Cory]

The global elite that controls and profits off ___________ wants _________ and they will get ________. Perhaps not __________, but they will get __________ in the future.

From now on, it might be better to just save this in your clipboard instead of having to type all that out again for every thread.

[Comrade Funk]

Thanks for reminding me why no one takes communists seriously.

[MaxQue]

...are you guys seriously advocating that the US militarily intervene against Russia?

No, but we must prepare. Putin goal is clearly reenacting Cold War, but with a different winner.

[The Dowager Mod]

The important question is, did Palin see this coming from her house?

[TNF]

...Anarchism is a variety of leftism...

In a manner of speaking.  I tend to view "leftism," broadly, as a set of ideologies that view the state as an instrument to foster personal liberty and social and economic equality in society.  Anarchism is the view that all forms of hierarchy - social, economic, AND political - are impediments to liberty and equality.  To the anarchist there can be no true liberty and equality to be gained through the state.

Socialism is leftist.  Certain forms of "pure" Communism are anarchist, however, and I wouldn't define them as leftist.

You're defining social democracy more than you're defining socialism or communism here. Social democracy believes in the state for its own sake and supports the expansion of state power to mediate disputes within society. Socialism on the other hand largely views the state as a transitory weapon, to be seized by the working class and used to produce mass abundance in coordination with a much more democratic economic structure; i.e. the essential merging of economic and political spheres to the point in which you eventually have the withering away of the state itself (or at least it's perceived withering away) and viola, communism. If one is a communist one is thus by definition an anarchist because communism and anarchism have the same overriding goal: a stateless, classless society.

Now of course one can be a socialist without being a communist (non-Marxian socialism or left-wing social democrats), but one cannot be a communist without being a socialism. Anarchism is by-and-large a left-wing movement, although AnCaps (hahaha) are a relatively new addition to the movement. Right-leaning anarchists have always existed though; mutualism is probably the most well established variety of right anarchism that has emerged since the industrial revolution (and it itself is probably the most American variety of anarchism that exists, tracing its origins more to liberal thinkers than to socialist thinkers).

[Cassius]

Forgive me for being an ignorant dunce, but would you, TNF, say that the primary difference between anarchism (or at least left-wing anarchism) and communism is that the former reject the transitory stage inherent in the latter (the whole idea of taking over the state, and then, once it's job is done, allowing it to wither away)? Its just a vague question I've had niggling away at the back of my mind for some time.

[TNF]

Forgive me for being an ignorant dunce, but would you, TNF, say that the primary difference between anarchism (or at least left-wing anarchism) and communism is that the former reject the transitory stage inherent in the latter (the whole idea of taking over the state, and then, once it's job is done, allowing it to wither away)? Its just a vague question I've had niggling away at the back of my mind for some time.

Absolutely. Anarchism believes that the state cannot be turned into a vehicle for working class empowerment because the state, in anarchist thought, is the outward growth of the bourgeois. In their reading, smashing the state and smashing capitalism are one and the same, and one cannot hope to truly establish socialism without first smashing the state. They're a bit more idealistic than your rank-and-file Marxist-Leninist, to say the least.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

For the record, I am not an anarchist in the sense that the state must immediately be smashed along with capitalism, but I do support the whole working class seizing the state thing.

[King]

For the record, I am not an anarchist in the sense that the state must immediately be smashed along with capitalism, but I do support the whole working class seizing the state thing.

Noted and I will have my secretary file that in your record.