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AggregateDemand
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« on: March 03, 2014, 09:57:27 AM »

Pertinent question: Is it wrong for the federal government to create welfare entitlements that are antithetical to the common good?
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 10:10:57 AM »

Which programs would you be referring to?

We've been deficit spending for over 30 years to prop up the entitlement state, and keep the middle class financially solvent. You still don't know where the problems are?
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 11:09:22 AM »

Pertinent question: Is it wrong for the federal government to create welfare entitlements that are antithetical to the common good?

Which programs would you be referring to?

We've been deficit spending for over 30 years to prop up the entitlement state, and keep the middle class financially solvent. You still don't know where the problems are?

I would like to know which specific programs you believe are "antithetical to the common good".

Let's say the mortgage deduction, for a start.

Yes. Dangerous form of corporate welfare. Creates an unjust economic rift between homeowners and renters. No limited government advocate would allow the federal government to have such a powerful social engineering tool.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 11:23:53 AM »

I would like to know which specific programs you believe are "antithetical to the common good".

Let's start with the twin pillars of Medicare/Medicaid. They cost $3500 per capita. In UK, AUS, ITA, SPA, and JPN, that's enough to create universal care. In the US, Medicare and Medicaid cover senior citizens, with a few alms left for the poor. Medicare/Medicaid have the distinction of delivering lower overall health and shorter lifespan, as well.

The poverty entitlement complex, anchored around Welfare, is equally bad. It boasts marginal tax rates in excess of 100% for some taxpayers. In other words, the government takes away more benefits than some people can earn with part time labor. Same is true of unemployment for some workers. The rate of poverty reduction slowed after Welfare was created. Not hard to determine why. SNAP should be cash, as well, not backdoor corporate ag handouts.

Social Security is less problematic, though defined benefit pits seniors against their own progeny. In a defined benefit programs, there are no consequences for raising taxes on younger generations. In fact, all of the costs of tax increases are shifted onto the generation being taxed. Laughable in a "free" society, but let's not move to defined contribution or another system :/

The debate in the US is not really whether or not we should have entitlements. It's whether or not the least effective entitlement state in the history of democratic civilization can be reformed before the US causes another global economic collapse.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2014, 01:02:02 PM »

There is literally not enough work that is of any value to any person to keep every low-skilled worker occupied. The term "zero marginal product worker" has been popping up for good reason. What you're advocating would both cost more than "welfare" and add to the sum total of human misery. But you probably already knew that.

That's a recycled corporate argument, which supposes an economic utopia without welfare. In the real world, a welfare recipient who sweeps streets is often more economically useful to the public than someone who sits on their duff. The exception is welfare mothers with children.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2014, 05:15:31 PM »

"Recycled corporate argument"?

That person "sweeping the streets" is not the only input. Are you advocating hiring people to do work with no tools, supervision, coordination, or regulatory compliance?

Fair point, but now we're talking about inefficient allocation of capital. If the public sector weren't so horribly under-invested, I'd be inclined to agree with you.
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