Is it wrong for taxpayers to fund welfare of any kind.

[MaxQue]

There is literally not enough work that is of any value to any person to keep every low-skilled worker occupied. The term "zero marginal product worker" has been popping up for good reason. What you're advocating would both cost more than "welfare" and add to the sum total of human misery. But you probably already knew that.

That's a recycled corporate argument, which supposes an economic utopia without welfare. In the real world, a welfare recipient who sweeps streets is often more economically useful to the public than someone who sits on their duff. The exception is welfare mothers with children.

Well, if you want someone sweeping the street, hire him to do that, instead of keeping him on welfare.

[MaxQue]

There is literally not enough work that is of any value to any person to keep every low-skilled worker occupied. The term "zero marginal product worker" has been popping up for good reason. What you're advocating would both cost more than "welfare" and add to the sum total of human misery. But you probably already knew that.

That's a recycled corporate argument, which supposes an economic utopia without welfare. In the real world, a welfare recipient who sweeps streets is often more economically useful to the public than someone who sits on their duff. The exception is welfare mothers with children.

Well, if you want someone sweeping the street, hire him to do that, instead of keeping him on welfare.

but we can't have the free market running things, that's unconservative and unamerican (see bans on tesla sales and the vw/uaw fiasco)

These are the people who will never be off welfare anyways, so why not make them work for it instead of doing nothing.

Because there is too much people and not enough work? Either we accept than some people won't work, or we reduce the lenght of the work week to allow more people to work. Sure, we could create useless street sweepers jobs like someone wanted, but, it's like the USSR. Creating useless jobs to have full employment.

[MaxQue]

There is literally not enough work that is of any value to any person to keep every low-skilled worker occupied. The term "zero marginal product worker" has been popping up for good reason. What you're advocating would both cost more than "welfare" and add to the sum total of human misery. But you probably already knew that.

That's a recycled corporate argument, which supposes an economic utopia without welfare. In the real world, a welfare recipient who sweeps streets is often more economically useful to the public than someone who sits on their duff. The exception is welfare mothers with children.

Well, if you want someone sweeping the street, hire him to do that, instead of keeping him on welfare.

but we can't have the free market running things, that's unconservative and unamerican (see bans on tesla sales and the vw/uaw fiasco)

These are the people who will never be off welfare anyways, so why not make them work for it instead of doing nothing.

Because there is too much people and not enough work? Either we accept than some people won't work, or we reduce the lenght of the work week to allow more people to work. Sure, we could create useless street sweepers jobs like someone wanted, but, it's like the USSR. Creating useless jobs to have full employment.

So you're suggesting something that would never happen without reducing everyone's pay instead of something like bridge/road repair which would benefit the whole country? Most people will obviously only be on welfare a short time and that's what it should be there for. For the people who will never be productive I'd rather make them work for a living while still getting that welfare.

Well, if we need people to repair bridges and roads, we should hire them, instead!  What you propose just sounds like a way to employ people for very cheap.

[MaxQue]

I don't remember where, but some party suggested forcing umemployed people to work for charities. Charities weren't interested at all. Too much trouble for so little gain.

[MaxQue]

There's plenty of work to do in the world, Max. As long as there's problems in the world, there are people needed to fix them.

No. It's not a lack of workers, it's a lack of abilities. You can't take an unemployed school drop-out and ask him to find a cure for cancer!

We don't need people to fix people, we need qualified people to fix issues. It's a very different thing.