Poll: 51% of Americans think gay sex is morally wrong

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

So wrong, but mmmmmmmmm, so good!

Please stop before you make me homophobic.

But surprising/disappointing results.

[Mr. Morden]

Here's a Gallup poll from last year in which 59% of Americans said that "gay or lesbian relations" was morally OK.  Of course, putting the word "sex" in the question, as well as other details of question wording, might skew the current poll more towards the "anti" position:

[Napoleon]

No love for affairs during marriage huh?

[Reaganfan]

No love for affairs during marriage huh?

Marriage itself is broken, I'll admit.

I think both parties need to focus on helping rebuild the American family. It really does matter.

I've seen so many young people in America who are constantly in trouble, pounding on their walls, buying drugs off the street, having the cops over again and again, and the main reason it goes unabated is because the mother is a single parent who cannot be home 24/7. Do you think that if a father figure was around half of this stuff would go on? No way in hell. The breakup of the family matters. The fact that liberals claim to want to help people and ignore such a drastic and fundamental breakdown of American tradition shows that they only care about pandering to slim minorities for the hope of votes in national elections.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

No love for affairs during marriage huh?

Marriage itself is broken, I'll admit.

I think both parties need to focus on helping rebuild the American family. It really does matter.

I've seen so many young people in America who are constantly in trouble, pounding on their walls, buying drugs off the street, having the cops over again and again, and the main reason it goes unabated is because the mother is a single parent who cannot be home 24/7. Do you think that if a father figure was around half of this stuff would go on? No way in hell. The breakup of the family matters. The fact that liberals claim to want to help people and ignore such a drastic and fundamental breakdown of American tradition shows that they only care about pandering to slim minorities for the hope of votes in national elections.

Which is why youth crime has gone down along with the percentage of nuclear families?

[Reaganfan]

No love for affairs during marriage huh?

Marriage itself is broken, I'll admit.

I think both parties need to focus on helping rebuild the American family. It really does matter.

I've seen so many young people in America who are constantly in trouble, pounding on their walls, buying drugs off the street, having the cops over again and again, and the main reason it goes unabated is because the mother is a single parent who cannot be home 24/7. Do you think that if a father figure was around half of this stuff would go on? No way in hell. The breakup of the family matters. The fact that liberals claim to want to help people and ignore such a drastic and fundamental breakdown of American tradition shows that they only care about pandering to slim minorities for the hope of votes in national elections.

Which is why youth crime has gone down along with the percentage of nuclear families?

Are you advocating the breakup of the American family?

[Supersonic]

I, for one, view heterosexual sex as wrong.

I mean, why would you even go there?

[afleitch]

I, for one, view heterosexual sex as wrong.

I mean, why would you even go there?

Too many flaps.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

No love for affairs during marriage huh?

Marriage itself is broken, I'll admit.

I think both parties need to focus on helping rebuild the American family. It really does matter.

I've seen so many young people in America who are constantly in trouble, pounding on their walls, buying drugs off the street, having the cops over again and again, and the main reason it goes unabated is because the mother is a single parent who cannot be home 24/7. Do you think that if a father figure was around half of this stuff would go on? No way in hell. The breakup of the family matters. The fact that liberals claim to want to help people and ignore such a drastic and fundamental breakdown of American tradition shows that they only care about pandering to slim minorities for the hope of votes in national elections.

Which is why youth crime has gone down along with the percentage of nuclear families?

Are you advocating the breakup of the American family?

No, but if you're going to argue that increased youth crime is caused by the breakup of the nuclear family, you should at least check if youth crime has increased.

[TNF]

No love for affairs during marriage huh?

Marriage itself is broken, I'll admit.

I think both parties need to focus on helping rebuild the American family. It really does matter.

I've seen so many young people in America who are constantly in trouble, pounding on their walls, buying drugs off the street, having the cops over again and again, and the main reason it goes unabated is because the mother is a single parent who cannot be home 24/7. Do you think that if a father figure was around half of this stuff would go on? No way in hell. The breakup of the family matters. The fact that liberals claim to want to help people and ignore such a drastic and fundamental breakdown of American tradition shows that they only care about pandering to slim minorities for the hope of votes in national elections.

Which is why youth crime has gone down along with the percentage of nuclear families?

Are you advocating the breakup of the American family?

No one has to advocate the breakup of the American family, when one considers that traditional family structures passed their natural expiration date sometime in the early 1970s, and that we are for the most part, living in a post-nuclear family society. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. The family evolved for specific societal reasons, one of which was to ensure survival in a hostile economic environment. As those conditions changed, so did the need for traditional family structures with an authoritarian father, passive mother and fully obedient children. And of course I should also note here that the idea of the nuclear family as the normal and only way to raise children is itself kind of a recent invention, buttressed by tax incentives and Cold War propaganda more than anything else.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Naso, how can government "rebuild the American family" without becoming too involved in people's personal lives, anyway?  The only feasible way of doing that is restructuring the country's economic policies so that women can spend more time at home with their children, but conservatives haven't moved much on that, ever.

[TNF]

Naso, how can government "rebuild the American family" without becoming too involved in people's personal lives, anyway?  The only feasible way of doing that is restructuring the country's economic policies so that women can spend more time at home with their children, but conservatives haven't moved much on that, ever.

Why is this a desirable goal? Women should be allowed to pursue whatever they want to pursue, be it waged work or unwaged work in the home (for which they should be compensated, perhaps in the form of a universal basic income), as should men. Beyond that, though, I doubt that even restoring the level of social mobility and flattening inequality like we did during the Great Compression would lead to more women opting for a life of domesticity. On the contrary, it might lead to more men opting for domesticity, as women are now the primary breadwinner in 4 out of 10 homes. It would of course depend on what policies are adopted, but in the end, you're not going to get those policies out of conservatives aligned with capital, who frankly don't want women not to work because that would drive cheap labor (since women get paid less than men on the whole) out of the workforce and may force them to raise wages overall.

The best solution of course is to simply accept that women are always going to work (and they always have, middle class myth to the contrary) and to make sure that when they're working, they're getting wage parity (so as to deny capital a constant and steady supply of cheap labor), they are given adequate protection from being harassed by male managers, administrators, and co-workers; that they are given equal chances at promotion or involved directly in decision-making as any man would be, and that they are given ample paid time off for sickness and to help raise a child (and men should be given paid time off for both, as well, of course). We came close to creating a national daycare program in the 1970s, and that's another thing we need to revisit, as well.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

TNF, I wasn't trying to suggest that only women should be allowed to stay at home with their kids.  I think that, generally speaking, children are better off with at least one parent who can be with them most of the time.  Gender need not play a role as long as working conditions for men and women are equal.

[Storebought]

They should have asked about lesbian sex separately.

Only in the US would this be an issue. In other countries, people who detest homosexuality detest gay men and gay women equally.

[Sol]

They should have asked about lesbian sex separately.

Only in the US would this be an issue. In other countries, people who detest homosexuality detest gay men and gay women equally.

Not really. In fact, the US (and much of the modern west) is remarkable in its conflation, culturally speaking, of male and female homosexuality.

[Nutmeg]

Not that surprising. I've met people with very strong Les-Bi-Tran-Gay ties who woefully admit that it goes against "nature". IE, homosexual sex doesn't result in conception.

Those self-loathing people probably have grown up hearing propaganda from their religious institutions, their parents, and their peers that their natural inclinations are immoral. It takes a lot to overcome all that trauma.

[MaxQue]

Personally, I doubt a poll on the morality of gay sex done by the "Public RELIGION Research Institute". There is a clear conflict of interest.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Personally, I doubt a poll on the morality of gay sex done by the "Public RELIGION Research Institute". There is a clear conflict of interest.

There's a conflict of interest between studying religious beliefs and studying beliefs about homosexuality? 

[Bojack Horseman]

It's actually pretty fun if you try it...

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

It's actually pretty fun if you try it...

What's so fun about thinking something is wrong?  Personally, I'm much happier when I think about how things are right.

[Bojack Horseman]

It's actually pretty fun if you try it...

What's so fun about thinking something is wrong?  Personally, I'm much happier when I think about how things are right.

Smartass. But we all can agree that getting laid is awesome, right?

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

It's actually pretty fun if you try it...

What's so fun about thinking something is wrong?  Personally, I'm much happier when I think about how things are right.

Smartass. But we all can agree that getting laid is awesome, right?

I've recently learned that getting laid is transmisogynistic, so no.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The phrase "getting laid" is discriminatory towards paraplegics.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

We can't be happy during sex?

[Torie]

I have other little habits where I would poll worse. But then, I don't run my life based on polls. I'm sane - I think.