Would any of these black conservatives appeal to black voters if they ran in '16

[Mordecai]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

Do you seriously think any of the people on bronz4141's list could win the black vote against Hillary Clinton in 2016, just by being black?

Obama won the black vote in 2008 and 2012 because:
1. His background and life story.
2. He was the Democratic nominee.
3. His campaign rhetoric and policies.
4. Who his opponents were.
5. He's black.

He could have won it both times with just the first four of those five, but the fifth is what the sealed the deal.

[The Free North]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

Do you seriously think any of the people on bronz4141's list could win the black vote against Hillary Clinton in 2016, just by being black?

Obama won the black vote in 2008 and 2012 because:
1. His background and life story.
2. He was the Democratic nominee.
3. His campaign rhetoric and policies.
4. Who his opponents were.
5. He's black.

He could have won it both times with just the first four of those five, but the fifth is what the sealed the deal.

I am not denying they're other factors involved, but considering enthusiasm and turnout in the black community relative to historical norms (and understandably so) its hard to argue that black voters did not consider skin color as a factor at all.

[Mechaman]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

No dog, but I was alive during the 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004 elections.  And to my knowledge the Democrats won at least 85% of the black vote in each one of those elections running white as milk guys who wear technicolor windbreakers.  Obama won like 95%.  Given how high they were already voting Democratic I think it's illogical to conclude that many blacks were voting for Obama based on his skin color.
Were people who voted for Obama because of his skin color idiots?  Hell yes they were.  Anybody who thinks otherwise needs an examination.  Does that still excuse your casually racist persona?  Hell no it doesn't.

[hopper]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

...

Obama won 95% of the black vote because he's a Democrat, not because he's black.

If the 2016 is somehow black Republican vs. white Democrat, the Democrat will do just as well with black voters.


Remember the 2006 Ohio and Pennsylvania govs, 2006 Maryland senate, etc.

Well at least Steele made the race a little interesting.

[Randy Bobandy]

Come on. We all know that Obama won because he's black.

[Peeperkorn]

Reverend Herman Cain.

[publicunofficial]

The fact that conservatives think black people can be tricked into voting GOP if they put up somebody like Allen West or Tim Scott says a lot about conservative opinions on black people's intelligence.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

...

Obama won 95% of the black vote because he's a Democrat, not because he's black.

If the 2016 is somehow black Republican vs. white Democrat, the Democrat will do just as well with black voters.


Remember the 2006 Ohio and Pennsylvania govs, 2006 Maryland senate, etc.

If the GOP nominated Condeleeza Rice, it would be interesting.  I would not be surprised if black female voters shifted to the GOP in significant numbers if Rice were the nominee.

How significant a shift would be the question.  It would be a seismic shift if the GOP got 15% of the black vote nationwide, but such a showing would be enough to nail down North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio. 

Rice is pro-choice, so she is unlikely to run, let alone be nominated.  But she is, without question, the most viable black nominee for the GOP.  (Indeed, I see Rice as the best chance for the GOP to take back the White House, but no one there seems to realize this.)

[Mordecai]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

Do you seriously think any of the people on bronz4141's list could win the black vote against Hillary Clinton in 2016, just by being black?

Obama won the black vote in 2008 and 2012 because:
1. His background and life story.
2. He was the Democratic nominee.
3. His campaign rhetoric and policies.
4. Who his opponents were.
5. He's black.

He could have won it both times with just the first four of those five, but the fifth is what the sealed the deal.

I am not denying they're other factors involved, but considering enthusiasm and turnout in the black community relative to historical norms (and understandably so) its hard to argue that black voters did not consider skin color as a factor at all.

It was a factor for enthusiasm but that's after taking into consideration the other four factors.

When Obama ran against Alan Keyes in 2004 he won in a landslide. That shows race is not the only factor.

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

...

Obama won 95% of the black vote because he's a Democrat, not because he's black.

If the 2016 is somehow black Republican vs. white Democrat, the Democrat will do just as well with black voters.


Remember the 2006 Ohio and Pennsylvania govs, 2006 Maryland senate, etc.

If the GOP nominated Condeleeza Rice, it would be interesting.  I would not be surprised if black female voters shifted to the GOP in significant numbers if Rice were the nominee.

How significant a shift would be the question.  It would be a seismic shift if the GOP got 15% of the black vote nationwide, but such a showing would be enough to nail down North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio. 

Rice is pro-choice, so she is unlikely to run, let alone be nominated.  But she is, without question, the most viable black nominee for the GOP.  (Indeed, I see Rice as the best chance for the GOP to take back the White House, but no one there seems to realize this.)

She's also unmarried, has no children and (like Colin Powell) doesn't really seem like a conservative ideologue. Hypothetically, if she won the nomination, I wonder if the social conservatives would vote for the Democrat instead.

[publicunofficial]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

...

Obama won 95% of the black vote because he's a Democrat, not because he's black.

If the 2016 is somehow black Republican vs. white Democrat, the Democrat will do just as well with black voters.


Remember the 2006 Ohio and Pennsylvania govs, 2006 Maryland senate, etc.

If the GOP nominated Condeleeza Rice, it would be interesting.  I would not be surprised if black female voters shifted to the GOP in significant numbers if Rice were the nominee.

How significant a shift would be the question.  It would be a seismic shift if the GOP got 15% of the black vote nationwide, but such a showing would be enough to nail down North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio. 

Rice is pro-choice, so she is unlikely to run, let alone be nominated.  But she is, without question, the most viable black nominee for the GOP.  (Indeed, I see Rice as the best chance for the GOP to take back the White House, but no one there seems to realize this.)

Someone's never seen the "Racial Draft" skit from Chappelle's Show.

[Хahar 🤔]

Find the black candidate!

[7,052,770]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

Do you seriously think any of the people on bronz4141's list could win the black vote against Hillary Clinton in 2016, just by being black?

Obama won the black vote in 2008 and 2012 because:
1. His background and life story.
2. He was the Democratic nominee.
3. His campaign rhetoric and policies.
4. Who his opponents were.
5. He's black.

He could have won it both times with just the first four of those five, but the fifth is what the sealed the deal.

I am not denying they're other factors involved, but considering enthusiasm and turnout in the black community relative to historical norms (and understandably so) its hard to argue that black voters did not consider skin color as a factor at all.

He certainly got a little higher black turnout than usual because he's black, but the main overarching reason Obama got >95% of the black vote is because he's a Democrat, not because he's black.

If the GOP nominated Condeleeza Rice, it would be interesting.  I would not be surprised if black female voters shifted to the GOP in significant numbers if Rice were the nominee.

Rice getting 15% of the black vote is a pipe dream, although I agree she would be the best possible GOP candidate to get a few extra black votes.  Of course her strong association with the Bush administration probably makes her unelectable if she somehow ever got the nomination (which is also pretty unlikely).

[SteveRogers]

So I see this thread is going well.

[pbrower2a]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

It is also significant that Republican support among Latinos utterly collapsed among Latinos. Barack Obama is not a Latino, so that's a non-issue. What happened? Dubya won by promising easy credit for real-estate purchases, and in fact delivered. The problem is that he fostered a speculative bubble that eventually went bust. Mexican-Americans are likely to make mortgage-backed purchases of housing at lower levels of income than any other identifiable group in America, and as the most recent people to enter the housing boom they were the ones most likely to get hurt. In 2008 Mexican-Americans turned against the GOP except in Texas.

What happened in Texas? It's what didn't happen in Texas. Texas had its own real estate crash in the 1980s based on predatory lending. Texas politicians changed the laws so that it was  difficult to get housing loans based on shaky collateral or expectations of inflation. Texas did not allow people to borrow against household equity to buy anything other than household improvements. One could get second mortgages to renovate a house but not use it for vacations, cars, or college loans. Contrast California, Nevada, Arizona, and Florida where such was possible in the Double-Zero decade.

Turning the American Dream into a nightmare is one way to lose political gains.

The right way for conservatives to win is to promote thrift and investment. Such creates jobs that can support solid incomes that can be used to meet personal desires. That's how things were when Eisenhower was President. Republicans in the Double-Zero Decade instead went for quick-buck scams that imploded. We still pay for that. We would be better off had we had more investment in plant and equipment instead of a real estate bubble.

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Democrats may have been pushed into the thrift-and-investment... or at lest cheap money-and-investment... mode, which may be good for winning subsequent elections. It should be telling that in 2008 Barack Obama won only one state (North Carolina) that Dwight Eisenhower lost in the 1950s. In 2012 he won the Presidency without winning a state that Eisenhower lost. Eisenhower won two states (Massachusetts, and Minnesota) that no Republican has ever won together since then -- twice.

Thrift reliably creates capital -- and jobs. It also creates long-term personal assets because people with jobs that require large capital investment generally make solid wages that themselves allow people to save so that others can invest. Dubya destroyed the nexus between thrift and capital formation. Huge amounts of investment was put into real estate that in the end nobody was able to buy. The short-term jobs in construction quickly vanished.

     

[hopper]

The fact that conservatives think black people can be tricked into voting GOP if they put up somebody like Allen West or Tim Scott says a lot about conservative opinions on black people's intelligence.

I don't know about tricked. You believe what you believe.

Scott is ok but some of the some of Allen Wests actions I don't care for.

[Liberalrocks]

lol

[Badger]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

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Obama won 905% of the black vote because he's a Democrat, not and 5% because he's black.

The Colin Powell vote, if you will.

[Yank2133]

The right will never understand minorities.

It is policy, stupid! Blacks are no different then the old rich white guys who vote GOP. It is about self-intrest, who policies are more likely going to have a positive effect on my life etc. If GOP is serious about attracting minorities, they are going to have give them a legitimate reason to vote for them. Putting up a black guy isn't going to do anything, the Dem nominee will still bring 80% of AA vote even if he/she is white.  

[Joshgreen]

Black Americans won't be hoodwinked by any of these Uncle Toms.

[Joshgreen]

Black Americans won't be hoodwinked by any of these Uncle Toms.

That's an incredibly racist, ignorant, and misguided assumption. I guess every black person that isn't left-winged must be an Uncle Tom. I don't even agree with West or Scott but comments like this are the reason why it's hard to see Black Republicans.

I let my emotions get the better of me, I apologize. Nevertheless, there's a reason why the black community doesn't support the party of Thurmond.

[hopper]

Black Americans won't be hoodwinked by any of these Uncle Toms.

That's an incredibly racist, ignorant, and misguided assumption. I guess every black person that isn't left-winged must be an Uncle Tom. I don't even agree with West or Scott but comments like this are the reason why it's hard to see Black Republicans.

I let my emotions get the better of me, I apologize. Nevertheless, there's a reason why the black community doesn't support the party of Thurmond.

That's true I don't think Blacks liked it much when Thurmond became a Republican but the Republicans are the party of Thurmond? Never heard that one before.

[pbrower2a]

Black Americans won't be hoodwinked by any of these Uncle Toms.

That's an incredibly racist, ignorant, and misguided assumption. I guess every black person that isn't left-winged must be an Uncle Tom. I don't even agree with West or Scott but comments like this are the reason why it's hard to see Black Republicans.

The Republican Party has little to offer most black people. The black middle class often depends upon government employment for pay or, even if owning a professional practice, upon welfare clients. So it is with such professionals as physicians, dentists, and attorneys.  Blacks who own businesses may have food stamps as the difference between profit and loss. Tax cuts are usually offered with huge cutbacks in welfare spending... and many blacks know where the money comes from. A 20% reduction in taxes that comes with a reduction of 30% of income is a raw deal for anyone who can't make it up with income from the private sector.

Add to this -- the black middle class is more likely to show empathy to poor blacks than is any white population. Many in the black middle class are themselves only a generation or two away from poverty.

Middle-class blacks are highly urban. As such they rely upon public expenditures to make urban life tolerable. Urban infrastructure isn't cheap; it is older, more complex, and more likely to need massive repairs or renovation just to remain operable.       

[fartboy]

No it's not about being black it's about being liberal when dealing with their group of voters.

[Eraserhead]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

...

Obama won 95% of the black vote because he's a Democrat, not because he's black.

If the 2016 is somehow black Republican vs. white Democrat, the Democrat will do just as well with black voters.


Remember the 2006 Ohio and Pennsylvania govs, 2006 Maryland senate, etc.

Well, the Democrat (Hillary) would do well but not 95% well.

[hopper]

Believe it or not, Blacks do not vote for people based on their skin color. Same with Latinos.

Were you in a coma during the 2008 and 2012 elections, or are you just being naive?

...

Obama won 95% of the black vote because he's a Democrat, not because he's black.

If the 2016 is somehow black Republican vs. white Democrat, the Democrat will do just as well with black voters.


Remember the 2006 Ohio and Pennsylvania govs, 2006 Maryland senate, etc.

Well, the Democrat (Hillary) would do well but not 95% well.

I would say 92% but that's nitpicking.