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« on: March 06, 2014, 02:38:03 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-strategy/200124-senate-defeats-gillibrand-military-sex-assault-bill
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2014, 02:39:13 PM »
NewYorkExpress is crying right now.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2014, 02:43:45 PM »
Shame.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2014, 02:46:18 PM »
Very House of Cards-esque.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2014, 02:59:04 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2014, 03:05:54 PM »
Has the roll call for this vote which continues the war on women been posted?
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2014, 03:06:57 PM »
Sickening.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2014, 03:15:54 PM »
Republican Yea:
Collins
Cruz
Enzi
Grassley
Heller
Johanns
McConnell
Moran
Murkowski
Paul
Vitter

Democratic Nay:
Carper
Kaine
(King)
Levin
Manchin
McCaskill
Nelson
Reed
Tester
Warner
Whitehouse
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2014, 03:16:58 PM »
Why the democratic defections?
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2014, 03:19:42 PM »
Depressing. Especially the Democratic defections in blue states.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2014, 03:25:53 PM »

Really? Just because I posted a link related to the issue doesn't mean anything regarding this bill... At this point passing something would probably be a victory.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2014, 03:26:00 PM »
Quote from: Reginald on March 06, 2014, 03:15:54 PM
Republican Yea:
Collins
Cruz
Enzi
Grassley
Heller
Johanns
McConnell
Moran
Murkowski
Paul
Vitter

Democratic Nay:
Carper
Kaine
(King)
Levin
Manchin
McCaskill
Nelson
Reed
Tester
Warner
Whitehouse

Particularly depressing considering how she won reelection.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2014, 03:28:30 PM »
But you have they voted against this measure? Mccaskill is far from being a misogynist.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2014, 03:29:54 PM »
Shame. As in everyone who voted against the bill should feel shame.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2014, 03:39:22 PM »
Rather ironic to see Cruz more in line with the forum Democrats than McCaskill or Kaine.

My sentiments as well.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2014, 03:41:02 PM »

Because she proposed an alternative solution to addressing the issue? I really don't see the problem here - the argument that Gillibrand's legislation won't fix the problem doesn't seem on the face of it to be automatically illegitimate. What is the problem with proposing an alternative, and potentially more effective, solution?
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2014, 03:42:41 PM »
Quote from: Speaker SJoyce on March 06, 2014, 03:41:02 PM

Because she proposed an alternative solution to addressing the issue? I really don't see the problem here - the argument that Gillibrand's legislation won't fix the problem doesn't seem on the face of it to be automatically illegitimate. What is the problem with proposing an alternative, and potentially more effective, solution?

Democrats shouldn't be proposing solutions that compete with each other, effectiveness notwithstanding (Same rule of thumb should apply for Republicans).
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2014, 03:43:23 PM »
When Ted Cruz votes yea, and Jack Reed nay, there is a big problem.
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2014, 03:45:02 PM »
Quote from: Speaker SJoyce on March 06, 2014, 03:41:02 PM

Because she proposed an alternative solution to addressing the issue? I really don't see the problem here - the argument that Gillibrand's legislation won't fix the problem doesn't seem on the face of it to be automatically illegitimate. What is the problem with proposing an alternative, and potentially more effective, solution?

Well from a strictly anti-reform standpoint, proposing a weaker alternative would be inevitable. It put opponents of independent prosecution in a better position by allowing them to claim "yes, we're behind a solution too and we have a Democratic woman behind us" even if said reforms largely tinker around the edges. Even assuming Akin would be a "nay", Gillibrand would arguably have been in a stronger position had McCaskill lost.
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2014, 03:46:27 PM »
Quote from: Speaker SJoyce on March 06, 2014, 03:41:02 PM

Because she proposed an alternative solution to addressing the issue? I really don't see the problem here - the argument that Gillibrand's legislation won't fix the problem doesn't seem on the face of it to be automatically illegitimate. What is the problem with proposing an alternative, and potentially more effective, solution?

The McCaskill bill is a half-assed, watered down version of the Gillibrand bill which in no way would be more "effective".
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2014, 04:58:45 PM »
Military shills
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2014, 05:12:03 PM »
Quote from: Alfred F. Jones on March 06, 2014, 03:29:54 PM
Shame. As in everyone who voted against the bill should feel shame.
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2014, 05:19:53 PM »
Usual suspects on the Democrat side, except Whitehouse and Jack Reed. Interesting Republican list though, not exactly the folks I'd expect to be most likely to buck party line.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2014, 05:32:41 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on March 06, 2014, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: Speaker SJoyce on March 06, 2014, 03:41:02 PM

Because she proposed an alternative solution to addressing the issue? I really don't see the problem here - the argument that Gillibrand's legislation won't fix the problem doesn't seem on the face of it to be automatically illegitimate. What is the problem with proposing an alternative, and potentially more effective, solution?

The McCaskill bill is a half-assed, watered down version of the Gillibrand bill which in no way would be more "effective".

Funny, then, the number of cases that prosecutors wanted to drop but which commanders pushed forwards. I don't see how prosecutors being the only judge of whether a case should go to trial will improve the military justice system.
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2014, 06:00:25 PM »
Wow, I agree with Sjoyce! It doesn't happen often haha.
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