CPAC 'GOP minority outreach' panel goes as well as you'd expect

[hopper]

The next time they need offer free food and free booze. Oh, wait, pubs hate handouts.

You Dems(some of you guys) should  be ashamed of what you guys write on this thread. I know you guys want to win on elections at all costs and look at winning elections as a sport. Personal rhetoric   directed at Republicans is no different than the racists you guys like to talk about in the GOP. You guys should check your rhetoric.

Did you just call Grumps a Democrat? lol.

I'm just sick of liberal dem policies in my face all the time. Alright you guys won in 2012 be happy with the victory and stop throwing it in everybody's face. It just seems like you guys like to do that.

"You guys"? I'm a Republican...

Yes, but you're a reasonable one.  Loons like hooper are why I don't affiliate with the pubs anymore and stay strictly Indy.

hooper, try valium, 5mg.  Available at your local Rite Aid.

I'm not a loon I just get upset when I hear the same rhetoric by the left over and over again on this thread. I mean how often can you post the same thing over and over that the GOP doesn't care about poor people?

I am actually not a registered Republican but I vote that way in state elections. I am actually not happy the way the national party has shifted too hard to the right over the last few years.

[hopper]

Voters have interests, and most of the time they are self-interests.  If you're going to say right off the bat that their interests aren't worth serving, then you're opting out of competing for their votes and they'll go to someone else.  George W. Bush got lots of Hispanic votes, but that wasn't merely because of his conservative stances on some social issues and threw out some Spanish sentences now and then, but he also backed, and tried to deliver on, comprehensive immigration reform.  If after handsomely endowing the military and doling out tax cuts for business, the GOP has no more "goodies" to give to anyone else, so be it, but they're opting out of getting votes, and in this case, that means opting out of the electoral votes of a bunch of places in the southwest.  If the party has made that decision already, then there is no point holding panels or pretending to do "outreach" or complaining that those voters are going on masse to the other party, or demonizing them for doing so.  It's like refusing to play a game and then blaming someone else for competing or winning it.

I agree with most of your post but you act as if George W. Bush increased the military budget a ton. Defense spending has gone down as a % of the federal budget since the 1950's. As for the tax cuts those should have rescinded because of the wars. There is nothing wrong with cutting taxes but make sure you some spendingcuts/revenue offsets  to do that.

[anvi]

Sure, defense spending has gone down as a percentage of the federal budget since the '50's, largely as a result of social welfare program spending.  It's still one of the big three in terms of federal spending, and that by a long shot.  Plus, spending on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq in the last eleven years (by both administrations) has been high.  The merits of all this are of course on the table for debate.  But, for the purposes of this thread, the GOP has to make a fundamental decision about getting behind some version of comprehensive immigration reform or not and understanding the consequences of either decision.  My guess is that congressional Republicans will start to get off the dime about it in another two years or so, but given the sharp disagreement about it inside the party, it's no given.

[Dave from Michigan]

The Republican Party doesn't care about poor people, attacking welfare, food stamps, unions and whatever remains of programs that help the poor. Worse is the "if your poor it's your fault" line of thinking in the Republican Party.

[Storebought]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I'm not a loon I just get upset when I hear the same rhetoric by the left over and over again on this thread. I mean how often can you post the same thing over and over that the GOP doesn't care about poor people?

Until those who don't understand it, do?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

Obama's DHS is helping the GOP deport illegal immigrants so they won't be able to vote?

[Storebought]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

Obama's DHS is helping the GOP deport illegal immigrants so they won't be able to vote?

Yes, the GOP enforces immigration laws (that their legislators clamor for) selectively.

The GOP business classes have a great desire for Hispanic illegal migration, as long as the immigrants themselves do not become politically active through unionization/collective bargaining efforts, public demonstrations, voter registration drives, and the like.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

Obama's DHS is helping the GOP deport illegal immigrants so they won't be able to vote?

Yes, the GOP enforces immigration laws (that their legislators clamor for) selectively.

The GOP business classes have a great desire for Hispanic illegal migration, as long as the immigrants themselves do not become politically active through unionization/collective bargaining efforts, public demonstrations, voter registration drives, and the like.

How is the GOP in any position to deport people?  And if you believe there are that many illegal immigrants voting, do you think the GOP has a point when they go on about voter fraud?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

Obama's DHS is helping the GOP deport illegal immigrants so they won't be able to vote?

Yes, the GOP enforces immigration laws (that their legislators clamor for) selectively.

The GOP business classes have a great desire for Hispanic illegal migration, as long as the immigrants themselves do not become politically active through unionization/collective bargaining efforts, public demonstrations, voter registration drives, and the like.

I don't know of a single state where illegal immigrants can legally vote.  Indeed, most, if not all, don't allow legal immigrants to vote until they become citizens.  Low rates of voter registration and thus of voting itself in Hispanic communities can be explained by high rates of ineligible adults because of their status as non-citizens.  Now perhaps one can argue that the ICE enforcement has an indirect chilling effect on the political activity of Hispanic citizens, but frankly I don't buy it.  There's no logical connection there.  Of course, voters aren't always logical, but I would expect that if anything Hispanic citizens who feel their community is being unfairly targeted for ICE enforcement would become more politically active, not less.

[Storebought]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

Obama's DHS is helping the GOP deport illegal immigrants so they won't be able to vote?

Yes, the GOP enforces immigration laws (that their legislators clamor for) selectively.

The GOP business classes have a great desire for Hispanic illegal migration, as long as the immigrants themselves do not become politically active through unionization/collective bargaining efforts, public demonstrations, voter registration drives, and the like.

I don't know of a single state where illegal immigrants can legally vote.  Indeed, most, if not all, don't allow legal immigrants to vote until they become citizens.  Low rates of voter registration and thus of voting itself in Hispanic communities can be explained by high rates of ineligible adults because of their status as non-citizens.  Now perhaps one can argue that the ICE enforcement has an indirect chilling effect on the political activity of Hispanic citizens, but frankly I don't buy it.  There's no logical connection there.  Of course, voters aren't always logical, but I would expect that if anything Hispanic citizens who feel their community is being unfairly targeted for ICE enforcement would become more politically active, not less.

Many of the Hispanics in states with markedly low Hispanic voter participation rates have been American citizens for generations.

[pbrower2a]

I am absolutely loving how slowly... ever so slowly... the Democrats are beginning to control the narrative.

Watching Republicans begin to do what the Dems did for the past 35 years is such sweet victory.

Can you go into detail about this statement?

I think the Dems controlling narrative is about them having the liberal media and the demography changes at their back. The other is the Republicans weak messaging and the Republicans totally turning off Hispanics at the polls and also the Republicans not modifying their policies to adapt to the changing demography of the electorate.

If the Republicans were simply a center-right party instead of a semi-fascist party it would be making gains among Hispanic-Americans and Asian-Americans instead of losing them. Barack Obama is neither Hispanic nor Asian, so such is not identity politics. Anti-union policies strike at a traditionally Democratic constituency that showed some R shift when Reagan was President.

The GOP seems to have doubled down on anti-intellectualism... and successful Hispanics and Asians (not to mention blacks) are well educated. Anti-intellectualism is an insult to anyone with a college degree. Even if they are business owners many of their clientele are fellow members of minorities, and clients may drive the political tendencies of small business more than concerns over taxes and wages.  

The Republican Party has gained largely among poor Southern whites -- but that is a limited constituency.  

What do you mean by semi-facist or anti-intellectual? Can you go into more detail?

Anti-intellectual? Contempt for science, the arts, and advanced learning. Promotion of creationism and denial of global warming are anti-intellectual cornerstones of much of the GOP agenda.

Semi-fascist? Full-blown fascism implies street toughs, torture chambers, and mass murder. Lawrence Britt's warning signs indicate severe pathology inconsistent with humane and sustainable values.

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http://www.oldamericancentury.org/whitepapers/defining/identifiers_britt.htm

Enough said? Most of those pathologies appeared under the Rove/Cheney/Bush administration to an extent not known in the past in America.



Maybe it is a good thing that our current President has an approval rating in the low 40s.

[All Along The Watchtower]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

Obama's DHS is helping the GOP deport illegal immigrants so they won't be able to vote?

Yes, the GOP enforces immigration laws (that their legislators clamor for) selectively.

The GOP business classes have a great desire for Hispanic illegal migration, as long as the immigrants themselves do not become politically active through unionization/collective bargaining efforts, public demonstrations, voter registration drives, and the like.

+1

[hopper]

The Republican Party doesn't care about poor people, attacking welfare, food stamps, unions and whatever remains of programs that help the poor. Worse is the "if your poor it's your fault" line of thinking in the Republican Party.

See you repeat the same thing....

But to get into the meat of the issues of your post:

Welfare Reform-Has anything changed since 1996 since the Welfare Reform Act? Not that I know of.

Food Stamps-The usage of them has gone up 270% in the last dozen years or so and you are making an issue out of it? A 1% cut in Food Stamp Usage in the last budget negotiation is a big deal to you?

Unions-your right about that but the Unions and The Dems have always been tied together.

[hopper]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

Obama's DHS is helping the GOP deport illegal immigrants so they won't be able to vote?

Yes, the GOP enforces immigration laws (that their legislators clamor for) selectively.

The GOP business classes have a great desire for Hispanic illegal migration, as long as the immigrants themselves do not become politically active through unionization/collective bargaining efforts, public demonstrations, voter registration drives, and the like.

I don't know of a single state where illegal immigrants can legally vote.  Indeed, most, if not all, don't allow legal immigrants to vote until they become citizens.  Low rates of voter registration and thus of voting itself in Hispanic communities can be explained by high rates of ineligible adults because of their status as non-citizens.  Now perhaps one can argue that the ICE enforcement has an indirect chilling effect on the political activity of Hispanic citizens, but frankly I don't buy it.  There's no logical connection there.  Of course, voters aren't always logical, but I would expect that if anything Hispanic citizens who feel their community is being unfairly targeted for ICE enforcement would become more politically active, not less.

Many of the Hispanics in states with markedly low Hispanic voter participation rates have been American citizens for generations.

New Mexico and California probably.

[hopper]

It was already mentioned, but it bears repeating:

The GOP doesn't need "outreach" to minorities when the GOP can simply exclude them from participation through gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and targeted ICE raids.

Obama's DHS is helping the GOP deport illegal immigrants so they won't be able to vote?

Yes, the GOP enforces immigration laws (that their legislators clamor for) selectively.

The GOP business classes have a great desire for Hispanic illegal migration, as long as the immigrants themselves do not become politically active through unionization/collective bargaining efforts, public demonstrations, voter registration drives, and the like.

Union/Collective Bargaining-Hispanics don't really live have big populations in the Rust Belt where the Unions still have an influence. I wouldn't doubt though there aren't some Hispanics who work in Las Vegas at the casino's and they are unionized.

Public Demonstrations-I just don't get what is with the demonstrations for immigration reform. It has no effect on the political process going out there. Just basically doesn't move the needle on the issue.

Voter Drives-Nobody is stopping anybody from having voter drives.

[Joe Republic]

I wouldn't doubt though there aren't some Hispanics who work in Las Vegas at the casino's and they are unionized.

I was about to inject some of my local knowledge on this subject here, but the above sentence didn't really make any sense and I've no idea what you're talking about anyway, so good day.

[Brittain33]

Voter Drives-Nobody is stopping anybody from having voter drives.

A Florida law required voter registration groups to turn in registration forms within some unrealistic time of receiving them--two or three days--which was so impossible that the League of Women Voters had to stop its registration drives.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Voter Drives-Nobody is stopping anybody from having voter drives.

A Florida law required voter registration groups to turn in registration forms within some unrealistic time of receiving them--two or three days--which was so impossible that the League of Women Voters had to stop its registration drives.

What's so unrealistic about that?  It might not be as convenient to the group to have someone stop by the voter registration office every day or two to turn in the forms, but should be far from impossible unless you could only turn them in in Tallahassee.

[Brittain33]

Voter Drives-Nobody is stopping anybody from having voter drives.

A Florida law required voter registration groups to turn in registration forms within some unrealistic time of receiving them--two or three days--which was so impossible that the League of Women Voters had to stop its registration drives.

What's so unrealistic about that?  It might not be as convenient to the group to have someone stop by the voter registration office every day or two to turn in the forms, but should be far from impossible unless you could only turn them in in Tallahassee.

I'll let them explain. Here's their statement on how Republican changes to voting laws affect their non-partisan voter drives.

Volunteers weren't interested in facing $5,000 fines, a third degree felony and up to 5 years in prison if any one of the registration cards they got didn't get into state hands within that time limit.

http://www.lwv.org/blog/why-lwv-florida-cant-register-voters

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Voter Drives-Nobody is stopping anybody from having voter drives.

A Florida law required voter registration groups to turn in registration forms within some unrealistic time of receiving them--two or three days--which was so impossible that the League of Women Voters had to stop its registration drives.

What's so unrealistic about that?  It might not be as convenient to the group to have someone stop by the voter registration office every day or two to turn in the forms, but should be far from impossible unless you could only turn them in in Tallahassee.

I'll let them explain. Here's their statement on how Republican changes to voting laws affect their non-partisan voter drives.

Volunteers weren't interested in facing $5,000 fines, a third degree felony and up to 5 years in prison if any one of the registration cards they got didn't get into state hands within that time limit.

http://www.lwv.org/blog/why-lwv-florida-cant-register-voters

Okay. I agree the penalties are excessive, but what is so damned difficult about turning in the forms the day (or even the day after) they were filled out? Indeed, why wouldn't they have been doing that already?

[Brittain33]

Okay. I agree the penalties are excessive, but what is so damned difficult about turning in the forms the day (or even the day after) they were filled out? Indeed, why wouldn't they have been doing that already?

It's a volunteer effort with volunteers managing volunteers. Expecting them to track all registrations and getting them in, full stop, is challenging enough, although they do it. Imposing an artificial deadline just to force the organization to jump through hoops they can't meet and which requires efficiency from every volunteer, and putting draconian penalties on it, is only intended to keep them from registering.

[Link]

Okay. I agree the penalties are excessive, but what is so damned difficult about turning in the forms the day (or even the day after) they were filled out? Indeed, why wouldn't they have been doing that already?

Ummm... had you heard of these registrations being a problem?  No?  They why the need for a bunch of new laws?

Here's what Republicans said when their was actual poison flowing freely through the drinking water of their constituents courtesy of big business...

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http://www.salon.com/2014/01/14/boehners_response_to_west_virginias_chemical_spill_we_have_enough_regulations/

So one thing has no reported problems and they want to regulate the hell out of it and turn people into felons.  And there is something else that is poisoning people and there is 100% no reason for any new laws.  Make sense to you?

I love this...

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/us/judge-to-block-changes-in-florida-voter-registration.html?_r=0

So if you do voter registration on a college campus on a Friday night and turn in  the forms first thing Monday morning when the office opens... congratulations you are a felon!  Seems reasonable.

[hopper]

I wouldn't doubt though there aren't some Hispanics who work in Las Vegas at the casino's and they are unionized.

I was about to inject some of my local knowledge on this subject here, but the above sentence didn't really make any sense and I've no idea what you're talking about anyway, so good day.

What I was saying was there are Hispanics  who work at the tables(like blackjack) that are unioized as dealers in casino's in Vegas probably.

[hopper]

Okay. I agree the penalties are excessive, but what is so damned difficult about turning in the forms the day (or even the day after) they were filled out? Indeed, why wouldn't they have been doing that already?

Ummm... had you heard of these registrations being a problem?  No?  They why the need for a bunch of new laws?

Here's what Republicans said when their was actual poison flowing freely through the drinking water of their constituents courtesy of big business...

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/14/boehners_response_to_west_virginias_chemical_spill_we_have_enough_regulations/

So one thing has no reported problems and they want to regulate the hell out of it and turn people into felons.  And there is something else that is poisoning people and there is 100% no reason for any new laws.  Make sense to you?

I love this...

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/us/judge-to-block-changes-in-florida-voter-registration.html?_r=0

So if you do voter registration on a college campus on a Friday night and turn in  the forms first thing Monday morning when the office opens... congratulations you are a felon!  Seems reasonable.

So don't do the drive on Friday. You can't adjust your schedule to show up on another day or do the drive on a different day? There aren't exceptions for people registering to vote on Friday that you can turn the papers in on a Monday?