Plane with 239 people on board crashes in Southern Indian Ocean

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

That could be a number of things.

Probably, yeah.

But, if the plane went down there and the fuel continued to burn, wouldn't that create fume lines like those that are visible after hours by satellite ?

EVERY satellite image website has said not to use their data for this.  It's not real time, and it's not reliable.

[Tender Branson]

That could be a number of things.

Probably, yeah.

But, if the plane went down there and the fuel continued to burn, wouldn't that create fume lines like those that are visible after hours by satellite ?

EVERY satellite image website has said not to use their data for this.  It's not real time, and it's not reliable.

Near real-time though ...

I know, the resolution is probably not nearly high enough to spot a burning plane or debris and it could of course be something else like a burning oil field etc. - but why not try ?

[Hash]

Everything in the world will be a bit better when everybody stops trying to be an internet investigator/detective.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Everything in the world will be a bit better when everybody stops trying to be an internet investigator/detective.

Some are a tad obsessed with this.  Let the big boys with the big equipment handle the job.  This is one of the few times countries will come together and work together to get the answers.

[Tender Branson]

They should search this oil rig area more, not in the strait of Malakka.

As far as I've read, only the Vietnamese have just looked there once briefly.

But the oil-rig-guy said that it was about 70 km away from him, so the plane might have flown further still.

And the waters there are becoming quite deep in the direction of the Spratly Islands ...

[Simfan34]

Everything in the world will be a bit better when everybody stops trying to be an internet investigator/detective.

This is correct.

[DemPGH]

If it was "accidentally" shot down, then there are things that people know that we are not being told.

The meteor collision, while extraordinarily improbable, is interesting. If this plane drifted off course with everyone conscious, I find it odd that there was no communication of any kind from anyone to anyone with any electronic device. I admittedly don't fly often at all, but that strikes me as funny.

[Mr. Morden]

The slow decompression theory would make sense if the plane hadn't turned around and stayed at a high altitude.

Did it turn around?  The Malaysians said it did at one point, but according to this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-mystery-deepens/

it sounds like they're not really sure that whatever they saw on the air defense radar was this flight.

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[Sbane]

The slow decompression theory would make sense if the plane hadn't turned around and stayed at a high altitude.

Did it turn around?  The Malaysians said it did at one point, but according to this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-mystery-deepens/

it sounds like they're not really sure that whatever they saw on the air defense radar was this flight.

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Yeah, if it didn't then the theory would make sense, especially now that some sources are saying the plane flew for hours after the transporder turned off. Basically, no one knows what the hell happened.

[Likely Voter]

I watched the Malaysian press conference and the Transport Minister basically said everything you have heard is wrong, in summary:
- plane didn't fly for hours, no data downloaded to Boeing/Rolls Royce after they lost contact
- Chinese satellite image was a "mistake" and not related
- Military radar spotting and notion that the plane turned to the SW was only a "possibility" and the search focus was still around orig. spot where  they lost contact
- Police didn't question pilot's family

He also said they were handing over their raw radar data to the FAA and NTSB. The whole thing was very defensive and it seems they realize they are in over their heads.

So I still think it was some kind of catastrophic event or combo of malfunction or pilot error that brought the plane down quickly and they simply just haven't found the wreckage.

[Mr. Morden]

- plane didn't fly for hours, no data downloaded to Boeing/Rolls Royce after they lost contact

It didn't fly for hours, or we have no info one way or the other on whether it flew for hours?  If communications are knocked out, then how do they know whether it was flying or not after they lost contact?

Also, this is an interesting read:

link

It suggests that losing a flight when it's over the ocean is easier than you might think.

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[Simfan34]

A rather revealing cartoon:



Apparently this is a religious ceremony:



And a telling article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-11/malaysia-failing-to-manage-plane-crisis-exposes-leadership-limit.html

[RogueBeaver]

US believes the plane might have crashed in the Indian Ocean. Sending USS Kidd to look.

[Beet]

It's not that complicated. It's obvious by now that there was some sort of suicide mission by the pilot. The transponders were turned off deliberately. The only question is the motivation.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

It's not that complicated. It's obvious by now that there was some sort of suicide mission by the pilot. The transponders were turned off deliberately. The only question is the motivation.

Um, nothing is obvious about this thing yet.

[Mr. Morden]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/malaysia-plane-sent-signals-to-satellite-for-4-hours-after-disappearing-1.1726992

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[MaxQue]

So NSA is listening everyone in the world, but can't find an huge plane?

[President Tyrion]

So NSA is listening everyone in the world, but can't find an huge plane?

We live on a rather large planet.

Alright, so first, we have the engine data. The engines were in the air longer than the transponder was on. That indicates that the plane would not have been shot down before radio loss. After that, anything else is pure speculation.

[Mr. Morden]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/radar-shows-plane-deliberately-flew-toward-indian-ocean-reports-n52561

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The article also mentions that scientists at the University of Science and Technology of China report that they detected a "seismic event" consistent with a plane crash "on the sea floor close to where the missing jet disappeared from civilian radar screens" at 2:55am, which would have been ~90 minutes after the plane was last seen by civilian radar.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I don't buy it.  Surely anyone who knew enough to use the waypoints mentioned would also be able to figure out if the plane had enough fuel to make the intended trip.  If the intent was to simply crash the plane, there were easier ways to accomplish that.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

May want to change title of thread to plane went missing.

[Paul Kemp]

Everything in the world will be a bit better when everybody stops trying to be an internet investigator/detective.

Has JJ shown up yet?

[Franzl]

Everything in the world will be a bit better when everybody stops trying to be an internet investigator/detective.

Has JJ shown up yet?

I think he's been too busy sharing his wisdom on Ukraine.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/radar-shows-plane-deliberately-flew-toward-indian-ocean-reports-n52561

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The article also mentions that scientists at the University of Science and Technology of China report that they detected a "seismic event" consistent with a plane crash "on the sea floor close to where the missing jet disappeared from civilian radar screens" at 2:55am, which would have been ~90 minutes after the plane was last seen by civilian radar.

I don't buy this - planes generally don't hit the bottom like the Titanic.

And I kind of agree with Ernest here, why would anyone with a motive to proclaim bring the plane down in a way that it can't be found?

There is something seriously fishy about this whole thing and frankly I'm having a hard time thinking of plausible scenarios.

[NewYorkExpress]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/radar-shows-plane-deliberately-flew-toward-indian-ocean-reports-n52561

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The article also mentions that scientists at the University of Science and Technology of China report that they detected a "seismic event" consistent with a plane crash "on the sea floor close to where the missing jet disappeared from civilian radar screens" at 2:55am, which would have been ~90 minutes after the plane was last seen by civilian radar.

I don't buy this - planes generally don't hit the bottom like the Titanic.

And I kind of agree with Ernest here, why would anyone with a motive to proclaim bring the plane down in a way that it can't be found?

There is something seriously fishy about this whole thing and frankly I'm having a hard time thinking of plausible scenarios.

Maybe there's someone on the plane named Gilligan, so now they're marooned somewhere?