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[Türkisblau]

I'm confused as to what difference would it make if a political forum was run according to Christian values.

EVERYTHING should be ran according to Christian values.

Of course, I bet you wouldn't take St. Paul's letters into account when you say that, considering that many of his stances are not exactly 'all liberal, all the time.'

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

For Immediate Release: Official Results of the 1st General Election of South America

Vote Tallies (58 votes, 98% turnout):
Conservative: 19
Social Liberals: 13
Socialists: 13
Worker's Party: 5
Pioneers: 4
Free Alliance: 2
Whig: 2

Seat Allocations (out of 21):
Conservative: 8
Social Liberals: 5
Socialists: 5
Worker's Party: 2
Pioneers: 1
Free Alliance: 0
Whig: 0

Therefore, the following MPs will be seated once government is formed by President Hashemite:

Potus2036 (Conservative)
Simfan34 (Conservative)
Oakvale (Conservative)
Rpryor03 (Conservative)
Dereich (Conservative)
Cassius (Conservative)
Goldwater (Conservative)
Spamage (Conservative)
Crabcake (Socialist)
Al Widdershins (Socialist)
Politics Junkie (Socialist)
Xahar (Socialist)
Murica (Socialist)
Talleyrand (Social Liberal)
SJoyce (Social Liberal)
Barnes (Social Liberal)
Blair (Social Liberal)
Vega (Social Liberal)
Türkisblau (Worker's)
TNF (Worker's)
ChairmanSanchez (Pioneers)

x RG Türkisblau

[Antonio the Sixth]

IIT: The two biggest hacks on Atlas fighting, with King throwing good barbs here and there.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The 14th Amendment is one of the best things the US has ever done. Please let's at least not change that.

[ElectionsGuy]

It's Israel, they can do whatever they want on THEIR LAND.

Is there any country (besides Israel) that considers the west bank to be part of Israel? I don't think so. I mean even George W. Bush opposed this sh**t.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

I noticed that Donald Trump's supporters were twice as high among non-college graduates than college graduates. Its right wing populism. Its blaming others for economic problems (immigrants, China, trade, outsourcing, etc.) that these supporters may be facing. Its saying whatever the hell you want without giving a sh**t. Its about attitude, not politics. That's what the appeal is, and its pretty clear it is working among 1/4 of the GOP electorate. Its stupid, but so are they.

[DavidB.]

Vice President: Mike Huckabee (R-AR) or John Thune
(R-SD)

Cabinet
Secretary of State: John Bolton (R-MD)
Secretary of the Treasury: Herman Cain (R-GA)
Secretary of Defense: Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
Attorney General: Chris Christie (R-NJ)
Secretary of the Interior: Mike Enzi (R-WY) or Denny Rehberg (R-MT)
Secretary of Agriculture: Jack Dalrymple (R-ND), Sam Brownback (R-KS), or Terry Branstad (R-IA)
Secretary of Labor: Phil English (R-PA)
Secretary of Commerce: Mitt Romney (R-MA)
Secretary of Transportation: Mitch Daniels (R-IN)
Secretary of Health & Human Services: Bill Frist (R-TN)
Secretary of Housing & Urban Development: Robert Ehrlich (R-MD)
Secretary of Energy: Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Secretary of Education: Scott Walker (R-WI)
Secretary of Veterans' Affairs: John McCain (R-AZ)
Secretary of Homeland Security: George Pataki (R-NY)

Other Advisers
White House Chief of Staff: Margaret Hoover (R)
White House Press Secretary: David Frum (R)
National Security Advisor: Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)
EPA Administrator: Bob Inglis (R-SC)
UN Ambassador: Jon Huntsman (R-UT)
White House Budget Director: Carly Fiorina (R-CA)
Surgeon General: Ben Carson (R-MD)

[YaBoyNY]

Thanks for the positive feedback!

Some more analysis of this debate (and I'll throw in some more 'subjectivity'): PM Rutte, like many succesful politicians, has the image that he's "made of teflon". No scandal really seems to wear on him. However, it didn't look well for him today. His VVD seems to be highly split on aiding Greece, and his rebuttal of the opposition's idea that Rutte had deliberately lied before the September 2012 election was not very spirited. In the election debate before the general election, Rutte pushed - together only with Wilders - the red button instead of the green one when asked if he would support a new Greek bailout. The Finance Minister of his first government, Jan-Kees de Jager (CDA), had already warned that this might be necessary in March 2012. In November 2012, FM Dijsselbloem also warned parliament about Greece's problematic financial situation. Rutte argued that Greece's financial situation in 2012 was entirely different from its financial situation now, that Greece is only in need of a third aid package because of Syriza's mismanagement, and that the second aid package had been highly succesful. Yet Arie Slob's rebuttal that the very question on Greece in the election debate "didn't fall from the sky" was more convincing to me: after all, nobody really thought that the Greek financial situation was A-OK in September 2012, including all the other party leaders, who didn't rule out a new aid package in 2012. Rutte, of course, won lots of votes with his statement, so for other politicians this must have felt like "payback time".

However, the focus on "Rutte lying" somewhat overshadowed the debate on the deal itself, which was a shame. It became a little childish. Even though I don't support the aid package myself, I really wanted the opposition to move on and to bring up constructive, critical questions, i.e. about the negotiations and about the specifics of the deal. Admittedly, the debate became better (and more boring, which is good, I suppose) when Dijsselbloem was questioned. However, I was shocked by the low level of knowledge on the specifics of the deal of some MPs. Jesse Klaver can't be a dumb guy, but his questions showed a genuine lack of understanding of Dijsselbloem's (indeed somewhat technical) talk about debt haircuts, debt restructuring, the IMF, eurobonds etc., which is conceivable for ordinary citizens, but not for a party leader in parliament. I feel that MPs in, for instance, the UK have much more knowledge of the issues they debate.

On an entirely different note, the extent to which Labour MPs and Dijsselbloem advocated austerity was almost surreal to me. How on earth do these people consider themselves social democrats?

In conclusion, not much will happen to the government, but Rutte's image has become a little more damaged yet again, and he will have to go even further to the right in the next election in order to regain trust of the people he alienated by supporting this deal - and in order to preserve unity within the VVD, especially on his right.

[TDAS04]

It would basically be socialist or democratic socialist.

This is a hilariously awful post.

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1. Kalwejt
2. Evergreen
3. Write-in: Harry S. Truman

[Türkisblau]

lmao

There's like NO REASON to believe this guy is a sock.

You guys are being cruel and it really isn't funny.

[Torie]

I always heard 35 to 40- not a majority by any means, but certainly enough to outnumber loyalists. Also, many of the people who were initially neutral broke to the Patriots during the war.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Just put the entire map in red pbrower2a, and by our failure to respond, you can take that as a sign that, as always, we all stand in awe of your inspired genius and perfect perspicacity, and that will be that, and the thread can sink off the front page of this Board. Deal? And given that you thread was reported (not by the now always gracious Simfan I might add), in exchange the ever tolerant Morden I am quite confident will not delete this thread. Deal?

Oh Gawd, now you are going to go through a waterboarding regime, where you are going to string out your mappies, state by state, post after post. Boo!

Morden, my vote is to move this thread to the "what if" graveyard as suggested below. Please your public!

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

In the German city of Tübingen, the Green mayor Boris Palmer, threatens to confiscate [unused] private property to forcefully house asylum seekers and/or illegals ...

FF

No, that's not an FF move. That is a violation of basic property rights, which is at the core of any liberal understanding of liberty.

"Property rights" are among the most unimportant rights there is, and certainly rank waaaay below the fundamental right to housing.

[Goldwater]

Metal is working class, making it a target of derision by both the right and the most visible sector of the puhgressive left.

Then what exactly is "scene" music if not working class?

'SCENE' AND METAL ARE NOT SOME SORT OF DICHOTOMY.

[RFayette]

The only time I can tolerate coffee is when it's filled with so much sugar and flavoring that it doesn't even taste like coffee anymore.

[TDAS04]

RFayette, who would he declare war on first: China or Mexico?

Probably Mexico, if he actually thinks Mexico will pay for a wall.  And the 2018 midterms, if they delivered a Democratic house, would be built on blue dogs and centrist Democrats in suburbs and rural areas, not Sanders Dems.

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Massive FF.  

^In reference to Jimmy Carter, of course.

[Goldwater]

The Rise and Fall of Tender Branson by Kalwejt

[Antonio the Sixth]

Trump is more socially fascist, while Clinton is more fiscally fascist.

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[NeverAgain]

Mike Huckabee, probably.

[The Other Castro]

Obvious FF. We use the tax money to buy better plots for porn.

[Goldwater]

There are no Islamic democracies anywhere in the world. Turkey is no democracy.


Would the world be better off without Islam??? No doubt.

Would this forum be better off without you? No doubt.

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If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet
If you try to fap, I''l tax your porn