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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2014, 05:03:02 PM »

What makes Virginia unwinnable going forward is that unlike other swing states, such as Colorado or Florida, is that the Dem advantage as of late is built on blacks rather than Hispanics. The state is 20% black, but has a negligible Hispanic population (~4%). So even if the GOP does begin to appeal to Hispanics more, they have little chance of better appealing to those black voters that they have consistently alienated over the past 6 years with their constant dog whistling over Obama, which will keep Virginia in the Democratic column.

So it was the absence of "dog whistling" that enabled Bush to get a whopping 11% of the black vote and win Virginia by 8 points?
In that time the white vote shrank 2-3 points and Romney managed to only get around 6% of the black vote.

And clearly it was that loss of 5% of the black vote and Purple heart% of white voters that caused a 12% swing to the Democrats between 2004 and 2012.
It was also, as ElectionsGuy mentioned, a pretty significant shift in the white vote.

So if that shift can mostly be attributed to the shift in the white vote (rather than demographic predeterminism), then why would Virginia be unwinnable for Republicans in the future? Since any path for Republicans going forward necessitates either the cessation of current demographic trends or increased performance among white voters, I don't see why Virginia would be any more unwinnable than any other swing state.
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2014, 01:02:09 PM »

Switch Virginia with New Mexico, and make both Maine districts D, than yes.
New Mexico isn't even a swing state anymore
Has a better.chance at flipping in say 10 years than Virginia. I believe Virginia isn't even winnable for Republicans in 2016, New Mexico can be winnable in the future if the GOP does better with Hispanics.

Not winnable in 2016?  Are you thinking Mississippi levels of elasticity in VA going forward?
What makes Virginia unwinnable going forward is that unlike other swing states, such as Colorado or Florida, is that the Dem advantage as of late is built on blacks rather than Hispanics. The state is 20% black, but has a negligible Hispanic population (~4%). So even if the GOP does begin to appeal to Hispanics more, they have little chance of better appealing to those black voters that they have consistently alienated over the past 6 years with their constant dog whistling over Obama, which will keep Virginia in the Democratic column.
Well yeah Conservative Talk Radio and media despises Obama just like the hard-left detested Bush W. I don't know about Dog Whistling the Conservative media has been pretty open that they don't like Obama because of his policies.
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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2014, 09:50:35 PM »

Would be nice but Minnesota is going to be bluer than Michigan. I also think Washington goes GOP before Minnesota.
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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2014, 10:22:58 AM »

2016:
Clinton/Warner vs. Paul/Ayotte



If Hillary declines to run for reelection:
2020:
Warner/Booker Vs. Susana Martinez/Rick Snyder or vice versa?




My thought is Dem fatigue vs. fresh faces and maybe more moderate appeal.
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