I can't believe Griffin took the time to write a 6 paragraph post decrying the drama in a chat room. So 2003.
Yes, and it's not a very good one either. I just hope he's ready for the "little IRC chatroom crew" to make comparisons to Napoleon.
Uh, the difference being that Napoleon didn't actually ever frequent the IRC or know anything about it.
In short, yes people do talk about Atlasia on the IRC. They also talk about how well George Wallace did in Maine, where to go to get the best hookers in DC, Dust in the Wind, how much is too high, whatever hilarious sh*t AdamFitzGerald said today, Snowstalker's pseudointellectual wannabe Marxism, or any seemingly random topic one can think of. So yes, please go ahead good people, go to #atlasforum and see what horrors await you. Given the types of denizens who post there, I can almost guarantee the random topic you will run into will be much horrifying and scarier than Griff's attempt at a Bilderberg Conspiracy theory.
I got to say, these are really big words from a guy who organized some of his own voting strategy in #labor (you mean Labor has their own IRC? The HORRROR! THE HORROR!) that allowed Labor to re-elect guys to the Senate while giving Deus (?!) first preference.
Yeah, my post pretty much says all of that. Were you just reiterating it for me?
But really, I shouldn't have to say anything more. Griff's posts here more than enough illustrate what the problem is with his beloved and persecuted party. It's the voices in his head conspiring to get rid of him.
Or is it the massive cache of chat logs from god knows when to the present that half the IRC crowd has that say all that needs to be said? Say what you want about me, but at least I didn't shit-talk you every time you'd leave the room.
You want to play us up as a bunch of cowards Griff, when I demonstrated that I have the balls (like I did to Napoleon a couple years ago) to say what I think to your face. I called you a hack a day ago in a poll and I'll do it again. You helped Labor get to where it was a few months ago, no doubt. You are an incredible campaigner when it comes time for it. However, these past few months have shown that you have a bit more flaws than you are willing to admit when it comes to helping deliver a record of governance. And your continued denial of plain reality when it stares you in the face to such an absurd degree is what drove me to type what I did this morning.
I'm kind of shocked that somebody who is supposedly involved in RL politics can be this far gone off the cliff about political strategy in a political game as you have for the past couple of months. It's quite incredible really how you can miss the point by that much (though to be fair it's not like you are the only one who does) so many times and still come up with the wrong course of action.
I say you have a flawed attitude on the IRC and I'll defend that statement on here. I'd be a f
uckin liar if I said that nobody has ever said a nasty thing about you in the past, but on my end I can say that my criticisms (like I made yesterday morning in that poll thread) are by no means hidden and I'm upfront about it. And with all that said I still stand by my initial statement that your comments so far have been incredibly deluded about yours (and others) impact on what has transpired and your continual insistence that it has only been because of "dishonest liars" and "conspirators".
In regards to your point about how staying away from the IRC doomed the Labor Party I'd like to point out that TNF has been in the chatroom for almost every fu
ckin night for the past three months as has Snowstalker. If you want to argue correlation details here you are doing a very bad job of it if you are trying to link Laborites staying away from IRC with it's rate of success. So again, please stop with this bullsh
it of yours of trying to delegate blame to everyone else but yourself and others in leadership.
Posters who frequent the IRC more than occasionally DO TALK SH
IT about other Atlasians. Posters who frequent the IRC more than occasionally DO PLAN VOTING STRATEGIES. ANd posters who frequent the IRC more than occasionally DO TALK ABOUT CAMPAIGN STRATEGIES. However, if you think this one avenue of communication, which only about ten or so posters out of hundreds use on a daily basis has that much of an effect on the game you clearly have not been paying attention to the years and years of PM campaigning that has been going on which is arguably just as (if not more so) effective in getting people out to the polls. The IRC, like you probably said yourself, is a "wankfest" and like all "wankfests" it's not very large at all! The idea that the denizens of the IRC are running the game is hilarious when you consider that much of the actual vote getting is done through the PM system that Dave Leip set up that allows party leadership to message literally hundreds of inactive posters to show up on election day "because reasons".
The only real difference between the IRC and the long accepted PM system is that in the IRC communication happens much quicker than it does by exchanging PMs (due to screen load times and the fact that a lot of PMs require more than five seconds to compose). The only real correlation you can make (like you said it yourself) is that a lot of the people who are involved in politics also use the IRC, which is like saying that many Presidents and Senators went to Ivy League schools.
Please read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causationBelieve me, it hurt me more than it did you. It's like bitchslapping your own child but sometimes it needs to be said. Labor could've and can be a strong left wing force in this game without being uncooperative, uncommunicative, hackish dicks about it.
Now you can keep posting six paragraph remarks to everyone in the vain attempt of yours to prove yourself right on every front, or just take brief moment to digest these words SLOWLY in that brain of yours and just give yourself the necessary time of introspection. Because I'll be frank, while you might have all the time in the world to waste fighting over who is right and who is wrong in an election simulation I sure don't.
This is the last post I'm going to make here. I apologize to Labor for taking up so much of it's time and hogging it's Convention thread. I want to thank Tyrion for stating what I had come here to say far simpler than I ever could.
I really think it's a good thing you won't be around. And I say that more for your own good than ours. You seriously need a break man.
Much love man, and take care of yourself.
-Mechaman
