Opinion of Lyndon B. Johnson

[King]

What percentage of the FF voters in this thread would have voted HP if alive in 1968?
85% is my guess.

You can say that of almost any president when it comes to the Atlas.

[politicallefty]

He was one our best Presidents. I'm no fan of the Vietnam War, but he gave us the Great Society and Justice Thurgood Marshall.

[TNF]

What disgusting results. Half the forum is literally just fine with killing millions of people, so long as they get health care out of it when they turn 65.

[IceSpear]

What disgusting results. Half the forum is literally just fine with killing millions of people, so long as they get health care out of it when they turn 65.

Why is FDR sending American citizens to concentration camps solely because of their race (and killing thousands in the process) any different? I have yet to see any FDR FF/LBJ HP voters address this.

[7,052,770]

What disgusting results. Half the forum is literally just fine with killing millions of people, so long as they get health care out of it when they turn 65.

Why is FDR sending American citizens to concentration camps solely because of their race (and killing thousands in the process) any different? I have yet to see any FDR FF/LBJ HP voters address this.

Not that I'm an FDR FF/LBJ HP voter, but the Vietnam War was objectively much worse than the Japanese Internment, even though the Japanese Interment was still morally reprehensible.

[AggregateDemand]

What disgusting results. Half the forum is literally just fine with killing millions of people, so long as they get health care out of it when they turn 65.

Welcome to the US. Handouts and hand grenades.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

LBJ and Nixon are both kind of similar politicians in that they both were kind of crazy, horrible people; but ended up effective politicians ruined by hubris.

I can't remember what I voted for LBJ. Possibly FF, because I think Vietnam would have happened whoever was in office... and pretty much every American President has had a few dodgy foreign excursions. It's part of the job description.

[AggregateDemand]

Even worse, a large chunk of HP voters are probably more upset over the latter.

Usual caveats about reading the human soul aside, I think that everyone who has held the White House since Nixon and LBJ has, at some level, at least been attempting to do good. Not those two. They're terrifying.

Why? If a dietician puts you on a strict diet of birthday cake and liquor, he doesn't deserve to be canonized. If he had good intentions and he was pioneering something new, perhaps his incompetence could be forgiven, but LBJ was not without economic data nor did he have good intentions.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

What disgusting results. Half the forum is literally just fine with killing millions of people, so long as they get health care out of it when they turn 65.

Why is FDR sending American citizens to concentration camps solely because of their race (and killing thousands in the process) any different? I have yet to see any FDR FF/LBJ HP voters address this.

Obviously FDR only sent them there so that the Japanese-Americans could unionize.  Only a war-mongering corporate shill like you would ever criticize such a heroic action!

[DevotedDemocrat]

Even worse, a large chunk of HP voters are probably more upset over the latter.

Usual caveats about reading the human soul aside, I think that everyone who has held the White House since Nixon and LBJ has, at some level, at least been attempting to do good. Not those two. They're terrifying.

Why? If a dietician puts you on a strict diet of birthday cake and liquor, he doesn't deserve to be canonized. If he had good intentions and he was pioneering something new, perhaps his incompetence could be forgiven, but LBJ was not without economic data nor did he have good intentions.

For God's sake man, is making sure the elderly and poor have health insurance such a terrible thing?

[AggregateDemand]

For God's sake man, is making sure the elderly and poor have health insurance such a terrible thing?

Is it terrible to feed your child so much cake that he becomes a morbidly-obese diabetic?

This is why Democrats cannot be trusted. They'll pat themselves on the back for placing tax burden on the middle class, putting them out of work, while simultaneously spending 50% more than any other nation to "help" seniors live 3-4 years less than in other developed nations.

Yes. It's genuinely terrible and an embarrassment to our nation. That's why Obama tried backdoor Medicare reform with the first ACA bill, which caused AARP to unleash the hell hounds to protect their pile of pork. More recently, Obama is trying to skirt Congress by changing the enforcement regulations for Social Security deferment. Our entitlements are genuinely terrible, and that's just FICA.

[DevotedDemocrat]

For God's sake man, is making sure the elderly and poor have health insurance such a terrible thing?

Is it terrible to feed your child so much cake that he becomes a morbidly-obese diabetic?

This is why Democrats cannot be trusted. They'll pat themselves on the back for placing tax burden on the middle class, putting them out of work, while simultaneously spending 50% more than any other nation to "help" seniors live 3-4 years less than in other developed nations.

Yes. It's genuinely terrible and an embarrassment to our nation. That's why Obama tried backdoor Medicare reform with the first ACA bill, which caused AARP to unleash the hell hounds to protect their pile of pork. More recently, Obama is trying to skirt Congress by changing the enforcement regulations for Social Security deferment. Our entitlements are genuinely terrible, and that's just FICA.

And what would you replace them with? How would we care for the elderly and poor?

[AggregateDemand]

And what would you replace them with? How would we care for the elderly and poor?

Caring for the elderly and poor is a talking point for uninformed voters with a proclivity for existential crisis. We have plenty of tax revenue. The only way we could possibly endanger their pensions, healthcare, and income security is to do what we've been doing for the last 50 years--tax the middle class heavily, spend profligately on ineffective entitlements, and then stimulate the economy until housing, healthcare, and education become unaffordable. If the middle class falls apart, seniors and poor have no one to pay their bills.

We could see improvement by replacing our entitlements with just about anything, and that's practically what WTO, IMF, OECD, G20, etc are suggesting. Do something. Anything. Doesn't matter.

[nolesfan2011]

Other than Nam, one of America's best Presidents.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Why does this keep being ahead of the more current opinions?

[Mordecai]

Why does this keep being ahead of the more current opinions?

Have you looked at the poll? It reflects the nature of the discussion.

[Fed. Pac. Chairman Devin]

Didn't he say "this will make those f(inks) ni(inks) vote Democrat for the next hundred years? HP.

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No.

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