Should revolutions in Belarus and Kazakhstan be encouraged now?
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retromike22
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« on: March 11, 2014, 01:29:10 PM »

And in the Russian Republics which have high ethnic numbers of non-Russian populations?

Basically, create multiple situations in its strongest allies and in its most non-Russian Republics so that Putin is unable or strained to cover them all?

Breakup 1991 2.0?
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2014, 01:31:15 PM »

http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2014/03/10/meanwhile_in_siberia_a_case_for_more_autonomy_in_russias_far_east_110354.html
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 01:38:06 PM »

Belarus is probably the one place on Russia's borders where it could be argued that annexation by Russia would be a good thing that would lead to greater liberty for the people thereof.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2014, 01:41:25 PM »

And in the Russian Republics which have high ethnic numbers of non-Russian populations?

Basically, create multiple situations in its strongest allies and in its most non-Russian Republics so that Putin is unable or strained to cover them all?

Breakup 1991 2.0?

It is not like it can be effectively done. What are you proposing to do to "encourage" a revolution in Belarus (still more so, in Kazakhstan)?

And as for the ethnic republics of Russia ... Chechnya has been subcontracted by the Russians to a local thug. Ingushetia is tiny - and, push comes to shove, can be suppressed by the same thug. Dagestan has no local dominant ethnic group, so they look up to Russians as the arbiter in local disputes. North Ossetia is, generally, very loyal (both because it is a Christian outpost in the Muslim neighborhood and because the Russians are supporters against the Ingush and the Georgians).  Places like Chuvashia and the Finnic republics are pretty thoroughly Russified (even if not majority Russian, as in many cases they are). There aren´t many places that could be threats. Perhaps, Tatarstan and Bashkortostan - but they have been pretty effectively controlled recently. The only likely candidate could be Tuva (by all accounts the least Russian part of Russia) - but it is distant, inconsequential, and super-proud of its favorite son who is now Russia´s defense minister.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2014, 02:54:40 PM »

"Encouraged"?
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2014, 02:59:40 PM »

Revolution should be encouraged worldwide against the ruling classes in all nations.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2014, 03:08:06 PM »

Revolution should be encouraged worldwide against the ruling classes in all nations.

Snowstalker, weren't you raging against the "fascists" who "overthrew the Democratically-elected Government" a little while ago.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2014, 03:17:15 PM »

Revolution should be encouraged worldwide against the ruling classes in all nations.

Snowstalker, weren't you raging against the "fascists" who "overthrew the Democratically-elected Government" a little while ago.

Yanukovych was awful, Euromaidan is awful. It's a shame that the Ukrainian revolution wasn't a class revolt.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2014, 03:34:43 PM »

Depends on what "encouraged" means.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2014, 03:48:23 PM »

The only way Lukashenko goes is if Putin wants him replaced.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2014, 04:12:46 PM »

No.
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2014, 05:46:10 PM »

Revolution should be encouraged worldwide against the ruling classes in all nations.

Snowstalker, weren't you raging against the "fascists" who "overthrew the Democratically-elected Government" a little while ago.

Yanukovych was awful, Euromaidan is awful. It's a shame that the Ukrainian revolution wasn't a class revolt.

Would that be with or without middle-class blood flowing in the gutter?
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2014, 06:48:51 PM »

Revolution should be encouraged worldwide against the ruling classes in all nations.

Snowstalker, weren't you raging against the "fascists" who "overthrew the Democratically-elected Government" a little while ago.

Yanukovych was awful, Euromaidan is awful. It's a shame that the Ukrainian revolution wasn't a class revolt.

Would that be with or without middle-class blood flowing in the gutter?

You can't have middle-class blood flowing when there is no middle class.
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2014, 03:42:19 PM »

I just read this article, it was pretty interesting. I didn't realize the "eastward" movement of the revolutions.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116920/ukraines-crisis-goes-back-1989

The entire concept of Russian domination has proved to be a formula for repeated revolutions. The revolutions of the past took place in 1953, 1956, 1968, 1989, 2000, 2003, 2004, and 2014 (in, respectively, East Germany, Poland and Hungary, Czechoslovakia, everywhere, Serbia, Georgia, Ukraine, and Ukraine). These events suggest a pattern, though, and maybe the pattern should be encouraged. The pattern is a generally eastward drift, and the purpose in encouraging it ought to be what used to be called, in language I never liked, regime change—achieved not of course by military adventures of our own but by the citizens of Moscow and St. Petersburg, aided by whatever peaceful support we can provide. Putin is terrified of precisely such a development, and, since he is a realistic man, we should adopt his fears as our hopes.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2014, 03:56:21 PM »

The beautiful thing about the passive voice is that it doesn't require the writer to state a subject, only an object.
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