Which side is worse: The True Left or Tea Party Right?

[SWE]

The corporate front operation

[IceSpear]

The Tea Party is way worse, because they actually have power and essentially run a political party. True Leftists are usually confined to whining on the internet.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

Tea Party is obviously worse because their people actually get elected, so they do the most damage.

The Tea Party is way worse, because they actually have power and essentially run a political party. True Leftists are usually confined to whining on the internet.

[Mechaman]

lolTea Party

How is this even a contest?

[Lief 🗽]

The one that has caused millions of people to lose food stamps, heating assistance, etc.

[TNF]

The Tea Party is way worse, because they actually have power and essentially run a political party. True Leftists are usually confined to whining on the internet.

The "True Leftists" you denigrate are the ones literally responsible for every leap forward mankind has made since the dawn of industrial civilization. Who made a big fuss about universal male suffrage? Who made a stink about the 8 hour day and children in factories? It sure as hell wasn't the liberals of the 19th Century, who gleefully went about profiting off of the labor of exploited immigrant workers, children, and women alike. It was the "True Leftists" like the anarchists and the socialists of the Knights of Labor and the AFL, the IWW and the Socialist Party, that made these demands and forced them to be realized by liberals terrified of the unwashed masses coming into DC and doing it themselves.

[IceSpear]

The Tea Party is way worse, because they actually have power and essentially run a political party. True Leftists are usually confined to whining on the internet.

The "True Leftists" you denigrate are the ones literally responsible for every leap forward mankind has made since the dawn of industrial civilization. Who made a big fuss about universal male suffrage? Who made a stink about the 8 hour day and children in factories? It sure as hell wasn't the liberals of the 19th Century, who gleefully went about profiting off of the labor of exploited immigrant workers, children, and women alike. It was the "True Leftists" like the anarchists and the socialists of the Knights of Labor and the AFL, the IWW and the Socialist Party, that made these demands and forced them to be realized by liberals terrified of the unwashed masses coming into DC and doing it themselves.

Being a left winger is not the same as being a True Leftist. The ones responsible for those reforms were those who were willing to play the political game, not merely whine and take potshots from the sidelines. Such as FDR, who by the way was despised by the True Leftists of his time, they realized that compromise and gradual progress were needed to acheive their goals, and didn't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Well, I can sympathise more with the True Left... The Tea Party desires are more alien to me as a foreigner.

[Mechaman]

Well, I can sympathise more with the True Left... The Tea Party desires are more alien to me as a foreigner.

Well of course!  Even your f***ing Conservatives support a nationalized healthcare system, yet in America you're considered an unreasonable socialist if you do!

[Mechaman]

The Tea Party is way worse, because they actually have power and essentially run a political party. True Leftists are usually confined to whining on the internet.

The "True Leftists" you denigrate are the ones literally responsible for every leap forward mankind has made since the dawn of industrial civilization. Who made a big fuss about universal male suffrage? Who made a stink about the 8 hour day and children in factories? It sure as hell wasn't the liberals of the 19th Century, who gleefully went about profiting off of the labor of exploited immigrant workers, children, and women alike. It was the "True Leftists" like the anarchists and the socialists of the Knights of Labor and the AFL, the IWW and the Socialist Party, that made these demands and forced them to be realized by liberals terrified of the unwashed masses coming into DC and doing it themselves.

Being a left winger is not the same as being a True Leftist. The ones responsible for those reforms were those who were willing to play the political game, not merely whine and take potshots from the sidelines. Such as FDR, who by the way was despised by the True Leftists of his time, they realized that compromise and gradual progress were needed to acheive their goals, and didn't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Yes, and I'm sure that those who "played the political game" would've taken the necessary reforms for the betterment of society it there wasn't those who "merely whine and take potshots from the sidelines."

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Well, I can sympathise more with the True Left... The Tea Party desires are more alien to me as a foreigner.

Well of course!  Even your f***ing Conservatives support a nationalized healthcare system, yet in America you're considered an unreasonable socialist if you do!

Nah, the Tories would butcher the NHS if they had the chance (and to some extent they already have).

[TNF]

The Tea Party is way worse, because they actually have power and essentially run a political party. True Leftists are usually confined to whining on the internet.

The "True Leftists" you denigrate are the ones literally responsible for every leap forward mankind has made since the dawn of industrial civilization. Who made a big fuss about universal male suffrage? Who made a stink about the 8 hour day and children in factories? It sure as hell wasn't the liberals of the 19th Century, who gleefully went about profiting off of the labor of exploited immigrant workers, children, and women alike. It was the "True Leftists" like the anarchists and the socialists of the Knights of Labor and the AFL, the IWW and the Socialist Party, that made these demands and forced them to be realized by liberals terrified of the unwashed masses coming into DC and doing it themselves.

Being a left winger is not the same as being a True Leftist. The ones responsible for those reforms were those who were willing to play the political game, not merely whine and take potshots from the sidelines. Such as FDR, who by the way was despised by the True Leftists of his time, they realized that compromise and gradual progress were needed to acheive their goals, and didn't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Sit-down strikers weren't "playing the political game" when they took over their factories and forced the state to back them up. The fact of the matter is that no real change has ever come from within the "system." Only outside agitators who create enough chaos to force the "system" to respond.

[IceSpear]

The Tea Party is way worse, because they actually have power and essentially run a political party. True Leftists are usually confined to whining on the internet.

The "True Leftists" you denigrate are the ones literally responsible for every leap forward mankind has made since the dawn of industrial civilization. Who made a big fuss about universal male suffrage? Who made a stink about the 8 hour day and children in factories? It sure as hell wasn't the liberals of the 19th Century, who gleefully went about profiting off of the labor of exploited immigrant workers, children, and women alike. It was the "True Leftists" like the anarchists and the socialists of the Knights of Labor and the AFL, the IWW and the Socialist Party, that made these demands and forced them to be realized by liberals terrified of the unwashed masses coming into DC and doing it themselves.

Being a left winger is not the same as being a True Leftist. The ones responsible for those reforms were those who were willing to play the political game, not merely whine and take potshots from the sidelines. Such as FDR, who by the way was despised by the True Leftists of his time, they realized that compromise and gradual progress were needed to acheive their goals, and didn't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Sit-down strikers weren't "playing the political game" when they took over their factories and forced the state to back them up. The fact of the matter is that no real change has ever come from within the "system." Only outside agitators who create enough chaos to force the "system" to respond.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you not state a desire for Republicans to win just because Democrats weren't progressive enough? This is the mentality of True Leftists that makes no sense whatsoever. If your desire is progress, then you're much better off with the people who at least hold and line and occasionally make incremental reforms as opposed to the people who want to take us back to the 19th century. If you subscribe to the philosophy that agitators need to force the system to respond, who do you think is more likely to respond and who is more likely to ignore you in exchange for Koch money? Barack Obama vs. Ted Cruz? Hillary Clinton vs. Scott Walker?

[Yank2133]

Tea Party.

No one gives a damn about the True Left, they are annoying, but are pretty much ignored. The Tea Party sadly still have a voice in the GOP.

[Nichlemn]

Does the term "True Left" exist outside of Atlas? A quick Google seems to suggest that the term (in this contest) only exists here. Same with "moderate hero". A pity, they seem like they deserve a wider audience.

[Marnetmar]

I would say The True Left(TM) is less annoying not because I'm a liberal but because they don't have any actual power.

[Arturo Belano]

Does the term "True Left" exist outside of Atlas? A quick Google seems to suggest that the term (in this contest) only exists here. Same with "moderate hero". A pity, they seem like they deserve a wider audience.

I don't think we need more buzzwords to label people with in mainstream American politics.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Does the term "True Left" exist outside of Atlas? A quick Google seems to suggest that the term (in this contest) only exists here. Same with "moderate hero". A pity, they seem like they deserve a wider audience.

Yeah, the forum is an incredible originator of very useful vocables.

[Incipimus iterum]

Both are imo

[nolesfan2011]

Tea Party is obviously worse because their people actually get elected, so they do the most damage.

The people actually intent on damaging the country (Tea Party)

[All Along The Watchtower]

The Tea Party Right doesn't really exist; they are merely Republicans nowadays.

Outside the Internet, the True Left exists at some small liberal arts college in New England, perhaps. But they are otherwise irrelevant.

[Nichlemn]

Does the term "True Left" exist outside of Atlas? A quick Google seems to suggest that the term (in this contest) only exists here. Same with "moderate hero". A pity, they seem like they deserve a wider audience.

I don't think we need more buzzwords to label people with in mainstream American politics.

"True Left" perhaps has some analogues (though they tend to be more pejoratives from the right, whereas "True Left" could be used by pragmatic left-wingers). I don't think there's any simile for "moderate hero" though. The closest are "RINO" and "DINO", but again they tend to be pejoratives only used by one side. There isn't really a concise term for mindless centrism  regardless of party.

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

While the true left is often more annoying than the teabaggers, heretics vs. infidels etc., the teabaggers actually have a non-quixotic effect on real policy.

[Mordecai]

True Leftists win this contest all day long.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

The Tea Party of course, because they're actually in government right now.  The True Left merely exists as a placeholder for what things would be like if America's political climate was more diverse, or at least as diverse as some would like it to be.  Besides that, they have no real power, and they never will.

Unless it's fantasyland, though.