If a 20 week abortion ban passed, will establishment push for more restrictions

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

What I mean is, would the Republican Party establishment continue to support overturning Roe VS Wade, like they claim to support now  or would they stop pushing the abortion issue, as polls indicate over 60% of Americans dislike the idea of overturning Roe VS Wade? (according to Gallup)
Plus, senate majority leader Harry Reid is open to a vote for 20 week abortion ban.

[bedstuy]

No way.

First of all, the pro-life movement is committed and strong on overturning Roe v. Wade. 

But, regardless overturning Roe v. Wade isn't a legislative decision, it's a judicial decision.  So, it's not all that political in the sense that it will only happen if there's a push for it by an ideological movement.  What it comes down to is that there are 5 votes for Roe.  If a Republican appoints a replacement for one of those 5, Roe is going down.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

I meant would the party put in the presidential platform if they should overturn Roe VS Wade?

[AggregateDemand]

What I mean is, would the Republican Party establishment continue to support overturning Roe VS Wade, like they claim to support now  or would they stop pushing the abortion issue, as polls indicate over 60% of Americans dislike the idea of overturning Roe VS Wade? (according to Gallup)
Plus, senate majority leader Harry Reid is open to a vote for 20 week abortion ban.

What's the upside for Democrats? They get to stop whipping their growing social-issues-base into a froth over meaningless late-term restriction that only affect about 1.5% of abortions?

Now that the Moral Majority platform is deteriorating, Republicans would like to tack left on social issues and leverage their lead in most economic polls. Unless Democrats develop a sudden affinity to do something useful, they'd be crazy to stop gender-baiting, class-baiting, and race-baiting. They can't win anything without single women and minorities, and both are eager to get sucked into abortion warfare.

Even if Democrats did sign a 20-week ban, Republicans would be stupid to believe it's real.

[Lief 🗽]

The end goal of the conservative movement is to return women to their status as property of fathers and husbands. The only way to achieve that is by making abortion totally illegal. So a 20 week restriction is not enough.

[AggregateDemand]

The end goal of the conservative movement is to return women to their status as property of fathers and husbands. The only way to achieve that is by making abortion totally illegal. So a 20 week restriction is not enough.

The the end-goal of women's rights is to secure abortion rights for themselves while they make as many men as possible pay 18 years of child support for children they don't want to father.

Poor women :*(

[Indy Texas]

The end goal of the conservative movement is to return women to their status as property of fathers and husbands. The only way to achieve that is by making abortion totally illegal. So a 20 week restriction is not enough.

The the end-goal of women's rights is to secure abortion rights for themselves while they make as many men as possible pay 18 years of child support for children they don't want to father.

Poor women :*(

I would be all for enacting a right to a "male abortion" that would essentially mean a man who has fathered a child with a woman who is not his wife and does not want a child for reasons comparable to those of a woman not wanting a child would be allowed to abdicate any and all parental, personal and financial responsibility in return for agreeing to what would amount to a lifelong restraining/no-contact order that could only be lifted at the desire of the child after (s)he has become a legal adult. Violating the order would carry far stricter penalties (including mandatory jail time) than violations of no-contact orders issued under other circumstances.

[politicallefty]

I meant would the party put in the presidential platform if they should overturn Roe VS Wade?

I doubt they would deviate from their current platform, which states their support for a human life amendment that would outlaw all abortions.

And I do not believe it is the establishment that pushes for more and more restrictions on abortion. The vast majority of the Republican establishment (i.e. economic conservatives) may be pro-life, but it is the social conservative base that demands purity on the issue of abortion. If the establishment really had its way, I think they'd allow for very limited access to abortion (rape, incest, life/health of the mother, and perhaps something like a "heartbeat bill") while generally leaving it to the states.

[All Along The Watchtower]

The end goal of the conservative movement is to return women to their status as property of fathers and husbands. The only way to achieve that is by making abortion totally illegal. So a 20 week restriction is not enough.

The the end-goal of women's rights is to secure abortion rights for themselves while they make as many men as possible pay 18 years of child support for children they don't want to father.

Poor women :*(

lol MRAs

[fartboy]

The end goal of the conservative movement is to return women to their status as property of fathers and husbands. The only way to achieve that is by making abortion totally illegal. So a 20 week restriction is not enough.

And Democrats want us to return to the cave days where cavemen worshipped women as the way into and the way out of the world.

[Bojack Horseman]

When Mississippi was about to vote on its Personhood Amendment, I wondered how this was going to work. Would you have "Conception Certificates" and have to keep a log of every time you have sex?

I should have been allowed to vote in the 2012 election, because by Personhood's logic, I would have been "born" somewhere in May of 1994, instead of when I actually left my mother's body on February 28, 1995.

And on the topic of the 20-week abortion bans, people have been fed junk "science" that, with all due respect, the right-to-life circus pulled out of its ass. No, a fetus cannot feel pain at 20 weeks. The central nervous system doesn't develop until about the 27th week of pregnancy, long after abortion is illegal everywhere in the United States, thanks to the unconstitutional "Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act," which was upheld by Reagan, Bush, and Bush appointees. 

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

The end goal of the conservative movement is to return women to their status as property of fathers and husbands. The only way to achieve that is by making abortion totally illegal. So a 20 week restriction is not enough.

Don't you think that's too progressive for most of us? And, seriously, you're being willfully stupid (as it seems most stupidity is). You might get off like "lol, this'll show them" or some stupid thing like that, but even the fact itself that you'd be trolling would just be greater evidence of the previously mentioned condition you seem to be consciously suffering. It really is sad.

[All Along The Watchtower]

The end goal of the conservative movement is to return women to their status as property of fathers and husbands. The only way to achieve that is by making abortion totally illegal. So a 20 week restriction is not enough.

Don't you think that's too progressive for most of us? And, seriously, you're being willfully stupid (as it seems most stupidity is). You might get off like "lol, this'll show them" or some stupid thing like that, but even the fact itself that you'd be trolling would just be greater evidence of the previously mentioned condition you seem to be consciously suffering. It really is sad.

While Lief may be exaggerating for (trolling) effect, a lot of us on the left side of the spectrum (or even in the middle) see the conservative movement's preferred policies and proposals as being actively harmful to women, the poor, minorities, and the public at large. Many of you on the Right probably think the same (at least, on that last bit ) about liberals and leftists.

[Lief 🗽]

If the conservative movement evidenced any concern, at all, for women and children when it comes to situation other than abortion, I might think differently. But they don't, so it's pretty clear what their motives are.

[King]

Yeah, anybody who cared about the sanctity of life would not openly demand WIC be cut and anybody who cared about preventing unwanted pregnancies would not be anti-condoms, anti-birth control, anti-masturbation as the far right has proven to be.

It's like calling yourself a vehicle safety advocate but being strongly anti-seatbelt and also owning a a busing company. The balancing act doesn't work and your real motives for stopping driving are pretty clear.

[DC Al Fine]

Yeah, anybody who cared about the sanctity of life would not openly demand WIC be cut and anybody who cared about preventing unwanted pregnancies would not be anti-condoms, anti-birth control, anti-masturbation as the far right has proven to be.

It's like calling yourself a vehicle safety advocate but being strongly anti-seatbelt and also owning a a busing company. The balancing act doesn't work and your real motives for stopping driving are pretty clear.

Democraticunderground called. They want their silly hackishness back.

[bedstuy]

Yeah, anybody who cared about the sanctity of life would not openly demand WIC be cut and anybody who cared about preventing unwanted pregnancies would not be anti-condoms, anti-birth control, anti-masturbation as the far right has proven to be.

It's like calling yourself a vehicle safety advocate but being strongly anti-seatbelt and also owning a a busing company. The balancing act doesn't work and your real motives for stopping driving are pretty clear.

Democraticunderground called. They want their silly hackishness back.

That's not a hackish point.  If Republicans cared about fetal life, they would be the biggest supporters of birth control and the morning after pill, not the biggest opponents.  This is ultimately and sadly about controlling women and punishing people who have sex. 

[DC Al Fine]

Yeah, anybody who cared about the sanctity of life would not openly demand WIC be cut and anybody who cared about preventing unwanted pregnancies would not be anti-condoms, anti-birth control, anti-masturbation as the far right has proven to be.

It's like calling yourself a vehicle safety advocate but being strongly anti-seatbelt and also owning a a busing company. The balancing act doesn't work and your real motives for stopping driving are pretty clear.

Democraticunderground called. They want their silly hackishness back.

That's not a hackish point.  If Republicans cared about fetal life, they would be the biggest supporters of birth control and the morning after pill, not the biggest opponents.  This is ultimately and sadly about controlling women and punishing people who have sex. 

No, it's a ridiculous display of arguing in bad faith. Gawker doesn't get to define conservative philosophy.

[bedstuy]

Yeah, anybody who cared about the sanctity of life would not openly demand WIC be cut and anybody who cared about preventing unwanted pregnancies would not be anti-condoms, anti-birth control, anti-masturbation as the far right has proven to be.

It's like calling yourself a vehicle safety advocate but being strongly anti-seatbelt and also owning a a busing company. The balancing act doesn't work and your real motives for stopping driving are pretty clear.

Democraticunderground called. They want their silly hackishness back.

That's not a hackish point.  If Republicans cared about fetal life, they would be the biggest supporters of birth control and the morning after pill, not the biggest opponents.  This is ultimately and sadly about controlling women and punishing people who have sex. 

No, it's a ridiculous display of arguing in bad faith. Gawker doesn't get to define conservative philosophy.

Why are Republicans against birth control and the morning after pill?

[King]

Yeah, anybody who cared about the sanctity of life would not openly demand WIC be cut and anybody who cared about preventing unwanted pregnancies would not be anti-condoms, anti-birth control, anti-masturbation as the far right has proven to be.

It's like calling yourself a vehicle safety advocate but being strongly anti-seatbelt and also owning a a busing company. The balancing act doesn't work and your real motives for stopping driving are pretty clear.

Democraticunderground called. They want their silly hackishness back.

Does the House GOP and state house GOPs not vigorously want to cut WIC, Medicaid and other programs valuable to children and mothers of at-risk households? Does the GOP hold an abstinence-only education stance and fill its caucus with anti-contraceptive and anti-masturbation weirdos?

I don't see any hyperbole in what I said.