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« on: March 16, 2014, 04:46:41 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2014, 05:28:04 PM »

Darn, I was hoping this was about an actual otter.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2014, 05:52:40 PM »

Darn, I was hoping this was about an actual otter.
Actual otters are much better than the governor of Idaho
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2014, 06:07:25 PM »

Just what we need, another Virginia Tech. Colleges can be very confrontational and all it takes is one fight with two people on the campus to result in one or more gun deaths. The permit itself is good to keep only those 21 and over from having them and require criminal background and mental health checks and it's good they're restricting the guns to only certain places on campus, but there's still no need for why anyone besides law enforcement officials in the city/campus police should have guns on them especially in classrooms.

I go to college and I don't feel the need to "defend" myself not because it's illegal to have a gun on campus, but it's something called trust in your peers and naturally being a good person. Besides, if the worst situation happened here, we would be protected by our campus security and would go under lockdown, so again, no need to have a gun on campus unless you're a cop. Otter should be ashamed of himself and I hope Fulcher primaries him since that's our only chance of getting this old, right-wing lunatic out. Fulcher isn't any better when it comes to guns and the Constitution, but it would have to do. It is Idaho, afterall.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2014, 06:18:38 PM »

Just what we need, another Virginia Tech. Colleges can be very confrontational and all it takes is one fight with two people on the campus to result in one or more gun deaths. The permit itself is good to keep only those 21 and over from having them and require criminal background and mental health checks and it's good they're restricting the guns to only certain places on campus, but there's still no need for why anyone besides law enforcement officials in the city/campus police should have guns on them especially in classrooms.

I go to college and I don't feel the need to "defend" myself not because it's illegal to have a gun on campus, but it's something called trust in your peers and naturally being a good person. Besides, if the worst situation happened here, we would be protected by our campus security and would go under lockdown, so again, no need to have a gun on campus unless you're a cop. Otter should be ashamed of himself and I hope Fulcher primaries him since that's our only chance of getting this old, right-wing lunatic out. Fulcher isn't any better when it comes to guns and the Constitution, but it would have to do. It is Idaho, afterall.

I thought you were like 14.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2014, 06:37:15 PM »

Just what we need, another Virginia Tech. Colleges can be very confrontational and all it takes is one fight with two people on the campus to result in one or more gun deaths. The permit itself is good to keep only those 21 and over from having them and require criminal background and mental health checks and it's good they're restricting the guns to only certain places on campus, but there's still no need for why anyone besides law enforcement officials in the city/campus police should have guns on them especially in classrooms.

I go to college and I don't feel the need to "defend" myself not because it's illegal to have a gun on campus, but it's something called trust in your peers and naturally being a good person. Besides, if the worst situation happened here, we would be protected by our campus security and would go under lockdown, so again, no need to have a gun on campus unless you're a cop. Otter should be ashamed of himself and I hope Fulcher primaries him since that's our only chance of getting this old, right-wing lunatic out. Fulcher isn't any better when it comes to guns and the Constitution, but it would have to do. It is Idaho, afterall.

The campus community around here (ODU) can only wish they could have the kind of trust in peers and faith in campus security that you describe.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2014, 06:42:19 PM »

Just what we need, another Virginia Tech. Colleges can be very confrontational and all it takes is one fight with two people on the campus to result in one or more gun deaths. The permit itself is good to keep only those 21 and over from having them and require criminal background and mental health checks and it's good they're restricting the guns to only certain places on campus, but there's still no need for why anyone besides law enforcement officials in the city/campus police should have guns on them especially in classrooms.

I go to college and I don't feel the need to "defend" myself not because it's illegal to have a gun on campus, but it's something called trust in your peers and naturally being a good person. Besides, if the worst situation happened here, we would be protected by our campus security and would go under lockdown, so again, no need to have a gun on campus unless you're a cop. Otter should be ashamed of himself and I hope Fulcher primaries him since that's our only chance of getting this old, right-wing lunatic out. Fulcher isn't any better when it comes to guns and the Constitution, but it would have to do. It is Idaho, afterall.

I'm against the bill, but good God, do you really think a mass murderer is going to stop for a "no guns on campus" regulation?!
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2014, 06:46:15 PM »

You should include the link to the original news article.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2014, 06:48:02 PM »

Just what we need, another Virginia Tech. Colleges can be very confrontational and all it takes is one fight with two people on the campus to result in one or more gun deaths. The permit itself is good to keep only those 21 and over from having them and require criminal background and mental health checks and it's good they're restricting the guns to only certain places on campus, but there's still no need for why anyone besides law enforcement officials in the city/campus police should have guns on them especially in classrooms.

I go to college and I don't feel the need to "defend" myself not because it's illegal to have a gun on campus, but it's something called trust in your peers and naturally being a good person. Besides, if the worst situation happened here, we would be protected by our campus security and would go under lockdown, so again, no need to have a gun on campus unless you're a cop. Otter should be ashamed of himself and I hope Fulcher primaries him since that's our only chance of getting this old, right-wing lunatic out. Fulcher isn't any better when it comes to guns and the Constitution, but it would have to do. It is Idaho, afterall.
Weren't there security guards at columbine? Look at how well that worked out. Also 3 armed students stopped the Appalachian school of law shooting.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2014, 07:19:14 PM »

Hopefully, all teachers will try to move in other states or strike against that threat of their security. Any student could attack a teacher giving them a bad mark.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 07:31:17 PM »

Darn, I was hoping this was about an actual otter.

I would think that otters would rather have people with their guns sitting in class than out hunting.
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2014, 09:10:11 PM »

Butch Otter just declared open season on every college campus in Idaho. The NRA's policies don't make you safer, it only makes you more likely to be murdered.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2014, 10:12:41 PM »

You should include the link to the original news article.

I was about to say this.

Meanwhile these Otters seem delightfully unpeturbed:

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2014, 02:14:30 PM »
« Edited: March 17, 2014, 02:19:13 PM by Reaganfan »

Butch Otter just declared open season on every college campus in Idaho. The NRA's policies don't make you safer, it only makes you more likely to be murdered.

Be realistic. Just because people carry guns doesn't mean they're ruthless killers. In fact, I'd feel safer in a classroom of armed good hearted citizens than being a sitting duck and having a "lockdown" which is code for hide under a desk and await death.

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2014, 05:23:09 PM »

Butch Otter just declared open season on every college campus in Idaho. The NRA's policies don't make you safer, it only makes you more likely to be murdered.
Nice hyperbole.
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2014, 05:58:34 PM »

Just what we need, another Virginia Tech. Colleges can be very confrontational and all it takes is one fight with two people on the campus to result in one or more gun deaths. The permit itself is good to keep only those 21 and over from having them and require criminal background and mental health checks and it's good they're restricting the guns to only certain places on campus, but there's still no need for why anyone besides law enforcement officials in the city/campus police should have guns on them especially in classrooms.

I go to college and I don't feel the need to "defend" myself not because it's illegal to have a gun on campus, but it's something called trust in your peers and naturally being a good person. Besides, if the worst situation happened here, we would be protected by our campus security and would go under lockdown, so again, no need to have a gun on campus unless you're a cop. Otter should be ashamed of himself and I hope Fulcher primaries him since that's our only chance of getting this old, right-wing lunatic out. Fulcher isn't any better when it comes to guns and the Constitution, but it would have to do. It is Idaho, afterall.

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The campus community around here (ODU) can only wish they could have the kind of trust in peers and faith in campus security that you describe.
In the case that there was a gunman who entered the campus, there's not necessarily a trigger detector or anything like that, but there are video cameras and the campus security are in the same building and area that most classrooms are and there's enough of them that I think you can feel safe. There have been no reported gun instances either and the most I've heard about so far while here is a stabbing victim and a number of burglaries and vandalism charges, so trust is pretty good. In fact, I accidentally misplaced my iPhone one day last semester and when I went to the campus security to see if anyone dropped it off, they said they did and I verified that it was mine.



I'm against the bill, but good God, do you really think a mass murderer is going to stop for a "no guns on campus" regulation?!
I wouldn't say that because anyone, student or non-student, could come onto campus and start shooting which is why I recommend we place some metal detectors on colleges out there, but that's another debate for another time. Anyways, unless we did that, it would be pretty hard still to avoid gun violence on campus unless we adjust for the situation accordingly with proper regulations like lockdown drills and campus securities, and clearly allowing anyone besides those who have experience and complete trust (the security), to carry guns will just lead to more gun violence. Hell, I would be freaking scared if they allowed guns on my campus. Drinking and smoking is allowed (in designated areas) and just by saying that, something could go horribly wrong fast.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2014, 08:45:08 PM »

now all idaho has to do is getting a campus and they're in business
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2014, 10:20:22 PM »

Good for him. It's a shame he signed the AG gag law though. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2014, 11:32:20 PM »

Virginia Tech had this law?  I thought it had a firearms ban?  Places where they are banned tends to be where those types of shootings occur.
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2014, 01:46:15 PM »

Firearms bans are weak against premeditated shootings, but they're very effective at stopping spur-of-the-moment crimes of passion, which are much more common.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2014, 04:14:13 PM »

Lol NRA, lol gun nuts.
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2014, 04:17:12 PM »


If only one could laugh about these lunatics...
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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2014, 05:44:21 PM »

Butch Otter just declared open season on every college campus in Idaho. The NRA's policies don't make you safer, it only makes you more likely to be murdered.

Be realistic. Just because people carry guns doesn't mean they're ruthless killers. In fact, I'd feel safer in a classroom of armed good hearted citizens than being a sitting duck and having a "lockdown" which is code for hide under a desk and await death.



Loaded weapons have discharged  without being handled.

If there is one good thing to say about this -- outrageous laws often lead to dramatic shifts in the politics of the afflicted area.
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