Have True Leftists accomplished anything in recent history besides mass murder?

[they don't love you like i love you]

Seriously think about it. What has True Leftism brought us?

Liberalism/progressivism brought us the 40 hour work week, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and the universal healthcare of other countries.

True Leftism has brought us the gulags, the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward and the Khmer Rouge.

Yeah tough choice which ideology I'm going with...

[Mechaman]

BRTD, nobody cares.

[Arturo Belano]

BRTD, nobody cares.

[IceSpear]

I think the biggest misconception True Leftists have is that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are one of them. They are not True Leftists, they're just left wing progressives.

Cynthia McKinney and Dennis Kucinich are more up the True Leftist alley.

[Lief 🗽]

I don't want to put all the blame for 9/11 on True Leftism, but it certainly didn't help.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Accomplishing things is so bourgeois, you know.

[SWE]

I agree, Josef Stalin is definitely comparable to people on internet forums who complain about Obama's record on civil liberties

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Seriously think about it. What has True Leftism brought us?

Liberalism/progressivism brought us the 40 hour work week, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and the universal healthcare of other countries.

True Leftism has brought us the gulags, the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward and the Khmer Rouge.

Yeah tough choice which ideology I'm going with...

No, it was leftist/labor agitation which pushed those and forced the dithering "progressive" governments to act on them. The domestic policy achievements of Roosevelt and Johnson did not originate from the top down.

I could also tell you how divided and politically diverse the far-left is and why it's inappropriate to place, say, Stalinists with syndicalists, but you wouldn't understand that.

[Randy Bobandy]

What is this thread even?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

What is this thread even?

Another BRTD pseudo-poll where he throws out some bullsh**t idea hoping others agree with him.  You never get used to it though.  Ugh.

[AggregateDemand]

Neither True Leftists nor Left Wing Progressives have accomplished much of anything because neither arrangement is sustainable. True Leftism relies on the perpetual sacrifice of everyone, which leads to widespread death. Left-wing progressivism generally relies on perpetual sacrifice from the top income earners, which has much better optics.

If left-wing progressives want credibility, they need to prove that their ideas can stand on their own. For instance, when Standard Oil was dismantled, Rockefeller became a much more wealthy man. His biased obsession with his own company and his own talent were stunting the economy as a whole. Left-wing progressives of this era can point to no such achievement, besides the legalization of abortion and the proliferation of birth control possibly leading to lower crime rates during the 1990s.

It's as if left wing progressives of this era believe that market-failure gives them a blank check to fail as often as they please. If people catch on.......

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I mean, is the Great Society any worse than the Great Leap Forward?





(I'm obviously kidding)

[IceSpear]

No, it was leftist/labor agitation which pushed those and forced the dithering "progressive" governments to act on them.

Good luck forcing the Republicans (who True Leftists want to win) to act on your grievances. I'm sure President Ted Cruz and Vice President Allen West will take them very seriously.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

No, it was leftist/labor agitation which pushed those and forced the dithering "progressive" governments to act on them.

Good luck forcing the Republicans (who True Leftists want to win) to act on your grievances. I'm sure President Ted Cruz and Vice President Allen West will take them very seriously.

I never said this, but when was the last time Obama directly responded to agitation to his left?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Didn't you used to identify as a Communist, Zach?

[they don't love you like i love you]

Eh not really. I just appreciated and associated with communist imagery and slogans. But I was never a True Leftist and always a Democrat if anyone remembers my views on Ralph Nader.

[Blue3]

When did "True Leftist" become a thing?

[Maxwell]

oh quit being such a ham and get some nuance in your life.

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

Eh not really. I just appreciated and associated with communist imagery and slogans. But I was never a True Leftist and always a Democrat if anyone remembers my views on Ralph Nader.

Just appreciating and associating with communist imagery and slogans is what 90% of true leftism is. Judging by this, you where almost as far as Snowstalker is!

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I think the biggest misconception True Leftists have is that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are one of them. They are not True Leftists, they're just left wing progressives.

Cynthia McKinney and Dennis Kucinich are more up the True Leftist alley.

Even folks like Cynthia McKinney and Dennis Kucinich aren't enough for True Leftists.  It seems to them that anything short of a murderous Communist is a useless Moderate Hero.

When did "True Leftist" become a thing?

It's been a thing for a long time.  Now they're finally getting called out.

They shouldn't be of huge concern though.  Atlas Forum is not a reflection of how Americans really feel and thank God it never will be.  Everything they support or oppose won't amount to more than a bunch of disgruntled neckbeards' internet Marx imitations.

[traininthedistance]

I don't think it's fair to equate them with Stalinism- but I do think it's fair to at least partially blame them for the election of George W. Bush, the continued dominance of Merkel & co. in Germany, etc.

[tik 🪀✨]

Eh not really. I just appreciated and associated with communist imagery and slogans. But I was never a True Leftist and always a Democrat if anyone remembers my views on Ralph Nader.

Yes, because True Leftists love Ralph Nader..

Wait, do they? I'm having trouble keeping up. This place always find random ass ways to glorify/hate whoever they want because of some instance(s) where they did something they agreed/disagreed with that they love/abhor.

Anyway, True Leftists accomplish as much as they need to by speaking out and declaring what they think. Then more sane groups of people can hear new ideas, adopt the ones that they like, modify them, and see if they work out. That's why we shouldn't necessarily sh**t all over extremists. Extremists come from rigid ideologies that force them to approach things in novel ways in order to make two things connect so that it syncs with their worldview. It's not good on its own, usually, but it can bring about novel ideas. We'll scoff and reject most of them, but at least they were available to debate.

[Marokai Backbeat]

When did "True Leftist" become a thing?

People don't actually like productively arguing about things on the Atlas Forum anymore. Instead, we come up with pithy (increasingly meaningless) terms to dismiss something we disagree with instead of argue why it's invalid, or we post it in any given Mine/Institute/Gallery so we can get away with mocking someone without fear of retaliation.

[Marnetmar]

I wouldn't consider OP's definition of "True Leftist" to be entirely accurate so I wouldn't say mass murder.

What True Leftists(TM) have accomplished however is mass annoyance.

[DemPGH]

Eh not really. I just appreciated and associated with communist imagery and slogans.

Well, that would [cough], uh, um, er, ahem, explain the username 'BRTD,' no? Unless BRTD means something other than what I think it means. . .