NYC General Discussion - You Hear That Giant Sucking Sound?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Another conservative self-made billionaire blasts DeBlasio's socialism.

http://bit.ly/1ozC1mE

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[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I know very little about de Blasio's tenure so far, but the ban on horse carriages cements him as a solid FF HP in my book.

Fixed.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

New Yorkers Want Horse-Drawn Carriages to Stay (and oppose de Blasio's school policies)

http://politicker.com/2014/03/poll-new-yorkers-want-horse-drawn-carriages-to-stay/

Obviously a plan to put hardworking people, most of whom are from immigrant backgrounds, out of a job for no good reason, is unpopular. (I assume most of the horses would be put down as well).

The plan isn't to put them out of work and there are several very good reasons to get rid of horse-drawn carriages. Also, your assumption about what'll happen to the horses is also wrong. So yeah.

We already have an excess of working horses in this country.  The idea that they'll go into peaceable retirement or the like is ludicrous unless De Blazio is going to pay for that to happen himself. Bloomberg could have afforded to do something that idiotic, but not De Blazio. Now it is possible that some of them will displace other working horses which will be put down instead of the ones from Central Park and also some of the oversupply could be dealt with by not allowing as many horses to breed.  But regardless of the exact mechanics, the net result of De Blazio's ban will be fewer horses.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

New York’s Welfare Reactionaries
Mayor de Blasio and his HRA chief look to turn back the clock on 20 years of progress.

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http://www.city-journal.org/2014/eon0521hm.html

How could anyone be opposed to the bolded part?

Possibly if there is no requirement that the student make progress towards a degree and not merely attend.  But yeah, in general, I'm in favor of making access to higher education easier.  On the other hand, how can anyone support the underlined parts?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

And, Ernest, I think that "not starving" is the sort of basic human right that shouldn't come with strings attached, at least in a society that is as advanced and wealthy as the USA, so I don't really agree with the first underlined part.  I'm not necessarily opposed to setting other sorts of conditions for other transfer payments, but food is just too basic, and just too affordable to provide.

If requiring that those able to work actually look for work to receive the dole is a string, I hate to think what you'd consider to be a rope.  Maybe instead of food stamps, we could give a supply of Soylent to those unwilling to do even that.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The guy on the left needs to get someone to help him with his makeup.  He's too pale and pasty to be a pirate.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

GROUNDHOGHAZI???

The real scandal is that the zoo thought the public wasn't ready to accept a female groundhog as a weather prognosticator. #glassshadow

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

So you think we pay too much attention to celebrity hedgehogs?  Better hedgehogs than celebrity people.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

De Blasio is expected to introduce legislation in December banning horse-drawn carriages

Terrific news!

Yeah, if you like sticking people who currently own animals that are economically productive with the burden of caring for them with no means of earning the income that allowed for their upkeep to be earned.  That's exactly what this bill does in order to try and avoid the claim that this bill would send horses to slaughterhouses.  Horses are expensive animals to upkeep and there is already a glut of unwanted horses.  Frankly, if I were the owner of a NYC carriage horse, I'd be looking to sell the horse after the holiday season rather than taking the risk of being stuck with one I couldn't make use of.  Probably wouldn't get much, but I'd get more than I would after the bill becomes law, if it becomes law.

At best, the bill would cause other horses to be slaughtered in place of the carriage horses, all in the name of making the people pushing this nonsense feel better.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Is there any reason to believe that most of NYC's horses will be sent to the glue factory? It's not as if there is no other use for them, unless there's a massive glut in the market for horses or some reason why carriage horses can't do anything else.

There is a glut of horses.  One of the people I go to with church with spends a good deal of her time and effort  with a rescue farm for abandoned horses whose owners couldn't care for them any longer.  We also had a case here in South Carolina a couple years ago where a rescue farm was closed down because its operator was unable to properly upkeep the horses there.

While activists have managed to get slaughterhouses in the US shut down, that's just caused the industry to relocate to Canada and Mexico.

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/More-horses-being-shipped-to-Mexico-Canada-for-5379495.php

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