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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2014, 06:52:05 PM »

Yeah, I made them recommended minimums specifically to address that issue.

Freedom of expression is a tricky subject, but I don't know that we should protect the right of those who want to stir a frenzy. Mild comments by Joe Schmoe about aliens, however, are fine.

I'd be glad to consider a rewrite of this clause to reflect that, if anyone would care to bring it forward.
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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2014, 06:16:23 AM »

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Status: Objection filed by Senator bore. A vote is now open on the above amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2014, 06:39:48 AM »

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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2014, 09:36:07 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2014, 09:40:57 AM »

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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2014, 09:59:32 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2014, 12:43:13 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2014, 08:21:35 AM »

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2014, 01:56:09 PM »

Aye

It will need a bit of tidying up, but this is a good start.
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2014, 02:01:21 PM »

No one is concerned with the freedom of expression implications here? "Aliens" have been a claim people have brought up for decades.
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2014, 03:52:18 PM »

No one is concerned with the freedom of expression implications here? "Aliens" have been a claim people have brought up for decades.

And until a few days without causing damage. This "joke" mobilized air forces throughout the world, almost caused a diplomatic incident with Mexico, brought widespread panic, and we're not even considering that some people might have committed suicide over this (I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case). The fact that we never bothered to punish it before shouldn't really stop us, not when these incidents bring so many consequences.
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« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2014, 03:48:08 PM »

This hoax was a Chinese military operation. This bill wouldn't change anything except to limit free speech here in Atlasia. We can't prosecute Chinese military in Atlasia unless we take them as POAs.

All we do with this bill is punish people for making hoaxes. It's already illegal for people to make false claims to law enforcement anyway, so if someone calls claiming something that doesn't exist, they may already get punished.
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« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2014, 04:10:39 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2014, 04:14:02 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2014, 04:53:03 PM »

This hoax was a Chinese military operation. This bill wouldn't change anything except to limit free speech here in Atlasia. We can't prosecute Chinese military in Atlasia unless we take them as POAs.

All we do with this bill is punish people for making hoaxes. It's already illegal for people to make false claims to law enforcement anyway, so if someone calls claiming something that doesn't exist, they may already get punished.

Regardless of whether or not it was the Chinese this time, the fact of the matter is that a private citizen could do such a thing. And we all know things like this spawn copycats.
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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2014, 05:00:19 PM »

I highly doubt a private citizen can mimic a full scale military operation like the Chinese. Tongue

But carry on. I'm just trying to protect freedom of speech and expression for our citizens. I don't care about the Chinese. Our laws and constitutional protections don't apply to them.
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« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2014, 05:03:21 PM »

I highly doubt a private citizen can mimic a full scale military operation like the Chinese. Tongue

But carry on. I'm just trying to protect freedom of speech and expression for our citizens. I don't care about the Chinese. Our laws and constitutional protections don't apply to them.

Just curious, Mr. President, is the administration going to pursue a more concrete policy towards China in light of this operation?
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« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2014, 05:12:29 PM »

I haven't decided how to respond to the Chinese actions. I'm still discussing options with my administration, but rest assured, we will let you all know something when we've come to a decision.
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« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2014, 05:48:12 PM »

I highly doubt a private citizen can mimic a full scale military operation like the Chinese. Tongue

But carry on. I'm just trying to protect freedom of speech and expression for our citizens. I don't care about the Chinese. Our laws and constitutional protections don't apply to them.

Well, it doesn't have to be as large scale to induce a panic.

I don't really care for the anti-free-speech posturing. Free speech is not an absolute right. To go back to the old adage, you can't scream "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
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« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2014, 05:54:27 PM »

I haven't decided how to respond to the Chinese actions. I'm still discussing options with my administration, but rest assured, we will let you all know something when we've come to a decision.

Great to hear, I'll be looking forward to the response!
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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2014, 06:11:28 PM »

I highly doubt a private citizen can mimic a full scale military operation like the Chinese. Tongue

But carry on. I'm just trying to protect freedom of speech and expression for our citizens. I don't care about the Chinese. Our laws and constitutional protections don't apply to them.

Well, it doesn't have to be as large scale to induce a panic.

I don't really care for the anti-free-speech posturing. Free speech is not an absolute right. To go back to the old adage, you can't scream "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

Yelling fire in a crowded building induces panic much like yelling bomb on a plane. We make that illegal for that reason.

Making UFO videos and claims of extraterrestrial contacts illegal is limiting free speech. Again, this latest Chinese military operation is unprecedented. Limiting free speech in this case wouldn't even effect what happened. It would only jail people who made silly YouTube videos claiming they saw a UFO or prosecute crazy people who claimed they were contacted by aliens. In the case of the latter, it would be difficult to prove.
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« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2014, 07:05:50 PM »

FTR, I voted aye under the assumption that the language would be cleared up with a later amendment. If this was the final text, I would vote against it for the reasons that Duke brings up.
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« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2014, 12:18:44 AM »

If someone has an amendment, offer it! We can go from there.
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« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2014, 12:41:22 AM »
« Edited: April 01, 2014, 01:00:20 AM by President Duke »

^^^^

Sometimes I feel like we're pulling teeth this session. Tongue
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« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2014, 04:54:17 AM »

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