SENATE BILL: Residential Taxation Reform Act of 2014 (Law'd)

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I each Nix's comments. If anything, we should make renting more affordable, rather than giving homeowners yet another add on in the tax code.

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Is home ownership really something that we should encourage? Germany and Switzerland seem to be doing fine with home ownership rates of barely 50%. Doesn't renting encourage people to make better investments and allow for more workforce mobility?

And besides, do we really need a tax exemption that will disproportionately benefit the affluent - i.e. those who have already taken the most expensive houses? It seems to me that we'd be better off removing the interest deduction without replacing it with anything.

Of course we should encourage home ownership. The People in this country have different social desires... than elsewhere. I am surprised, in particular, to see Senator TNF advocating for more rentiership. One would think that he'd be disinclined to have The working People beholden to landlords. Of course, I'm assuming we'd all be living in public housing if he had his way... but the fact is that it is good economic sense to give common People a nice, appreciating financial asset. Renting is simply unrecoverable money.

Public housing for all would be the best of all worlds. I'm all for nationalizing the land and giving everyone the right to a home, free of charge, administered by a housing co-operative authority.

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I suggest the savings be reinvested into worker-owned enterprises, or cooperatives.

I was obviously joking. Can we implement the tax credit? Obviously we can not vindictively remove a deduction without giving The People relief somewhere.

I don't see anywhere that said deduction only applies to actual people, which would mean that employers are also going to get to take advantage. I would support such a deduction if it didn't also apply to employers, who are literally the last people on Earth that need tax relief.

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I suggest the savings be reinvested into worker-owned enterprises, or cooperatives.

I was obviously joking. Can we implement the tax credit? Obviously we can not vindictively remove a deduction without giving The People relief somewhere.

I don't see anywhere that said deduction only applies to actual people, which would mean that employers are also going to get to take advantage. I would support such a deduction if it didn't also apply to employers, who are literally the last people on Earth that need tax relief.

Have you looked at our laws lately?  It's amazing we have any employers who are able to function at all.  If you dislike them so much, just put forward a bill banning employers altogether. Would save us all a lot of time and have the same effect.

Yes, because making sure that employers don't treat their employees like absolute crap is a recipe for the total collapse of society, amirite? In the event that employers wouldn't hire or whatever it wouldn't be a problem just to seize said industries outright and let the workers control the hiring themselves. No point in being held hostage by parasites.

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Every time TNF says something I expect $100 million of capital outflows occurs. Of course he neglects the entire effect seizing industry would have on business creation. If we were to seize businesses for not hiring in the sort of climate he aims to create (which no rational person would), we'd very quickly find ourselves with no businesses whatsoever.

The means of making what needs to be made would still exist, and would be in public trust, which would definitely be an improvement over greedy parasites owning and exploiting them for profit.

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Nay

Well because they already exist. What about the future? Who will innovate and create the new industries? The workers? They are too busy working.

Workers would be replaced by machines, freeing up labor to go on to more productive tasks, of course.

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AYE

What kind of "laborite" wants workers to be replaced by machines?

The kind that wants to abolish useless toil and free the worker to become a fully independent and fully developed human being, not stunted by capitalist social relations.

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What kind of "laborite" wants workers to be replaced by machines?

The kind that wants to abolish useless toil and free the worker to become a fully independent and fully developed human being, not stunted by capitalist social relations.

You realize that some people prefer to work. And provided they are compensated fairly and have a safe working environment, I feel obliged to pursue policies that shall facilitate there ability to do that.

Yes, and I'm sure there were many a happy slave. That's irrelevant. Work that needs to be done will be done, be it by robots or by human beings who actually want to do it (i.e. meaningful work, as opposed to meaningless toil as a Wal-Mart door greeter or something)

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Aye

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NAY