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« on: March 22, 2014, 01:43:00 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2014, 02:17:20 PM »

WTF kind of question is this?
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WalterMitty
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2014, 02:23:07 PM »


self explanatory, harry.
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2014, 03:37:08 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2014, 04:22:24 PM »

Anyone who thinks the standard deviation is not useful just hasn't been exposed to enough statistics.

Simply put, that's like asking if an electron microscope is useful for microbiologists, or the whether the LHC is useful for particle physicists. Not knowing how to use something is no excuse for calling it useless.
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2014, 05:53:09 PM »

Anyone who thinks the standard deviation is not useful just hasn't been exposed to enough statistics.

Simply put, that's like asking if an electron microscope is useful for microbiologists, or the whether the LHC is useful for particle physicists. Not knowing how to use something is no excuse for calling it useless.

good point.

i wonder how many people understand standard deviation?  probably less than 50% of the general public.
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2014, 06:14:57 PM »

i wonder how many people understand standard deviation?  probably less than 50% of the general public.

. . .Give or take 49%.


Actually, I don't completely understand it.  I know that something like 2/3 of the population is within one standard deviation of the mean, 85% for 2 standard deviations, and 95% for 3 standard deviations.  (And even those numbers, I'm pulling out of my head without a lot of confidence.)

And I only have a vague idea of how it's calculated.  I have a researcher friend who does statistical analysis as part of his job--and he uses terms I don't understand--but I doubt anyone else I know has much reason to ever calculate a standard deviation.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2014, 06:20:31 PM »

to be precise, i think 80% is within 1.28 sd
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2014, 06:33:45 PM »

If you assume normal distribution, which isn't necessarily a valid assumption. Although all sums of independent, identically distrubted variables converge to a normal distribution with an increasing n.
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 07:45:14 PM »

Cycles and bell curves make the world go round!
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 09:07:37 PM »

i wonder how many people understand standard deviation?  probably less than 50% of the general public.

. . .Give or take 49%.


Actually, I don't completely understand it.  I know that something like 2/3 of the population is within one standard deviation of the mean, 85% for 2 standard deviations, and 95% for 3 standard deviations.  (And even those numbers, I'm pulling out of my head without a lot of confidence.)

And I only have a vague idea of how it's calculated.  I have a researcher friend who does statistical analysis as part of his job--and he uses terms I don't understand--but I doubt anyone else I know has much reason to ever calculate a standard deviation.

This is one reason why the Common Core math standards include a healthy amount of statistics. The information age puts a premium on statistical analysis, but our K-12 education covered little since it wasn't as critical 50 years ago. A generation from now statistics should be as routine as algebra is today - that is not everyone is fluent in its practice, but people will recognize basic terms.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2014, 09:28:13 PM »

From someone in AP Stat, it is great and all should know what it is.
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2014, 07:18:26 AM »

This is one reason why the Common Core math standards include a healthy amount of statistics. The information age puts a premium on statistical analysis, but our K-12 education covered little since it wasn't as critical 50 years ago. A generation from now statistics should be as routine as algebra is today - that is not everyone is fluent in its practice, but people will recognize basic terms.

I graduated high school in 2005 and statistics was barely covered at all in any math class I took. It was only offered as an elective class and I don't even think it was a full credit. In fact, the school district only required three credits of math for graduation at the time. I took a statistics class in college and it was definitely one of the more enjoyable math classes I took.

I definitely agree with you that statistics should be part of the K-12 curriculum. It's at least as valuable as algebra and certainly more valuable for most than anything beyond that.
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2014, 09:10:52 AM »

It's a very important tool for statistical analysis and it is a part of important basic concepts that I think everyone needs to know in life.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2014, 12:42:18 PM »

As an economics student it is crucial to basic analysis and a key part of statistics. everyone sshould be familiar with it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2014, 04:31:22 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2014, 02:25:04 AM »

Yeah, I pushed pretty hard to have statistics be part of the base curriculum in Atlasia, and I certainly think that it should be emphasized more greatly in real life.
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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2014, 07:08:21 PM »

So much better than variance.
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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2014, 07:39:43 PM »

Statistically it is useless.
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