Opinion of Ronald Reagan

[Reginald]

These results are terrible. There's no way he's worse than some of the others right now.

A lot of people in this thread (excluding myself, regrettably) have been pretty explicit in their reasons for disliking Reagan, yet you keep repeating this as if nobody has. So tell us why, according to your evaluation, he's so unfairly judged.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Anyone who wins 49 out of 50 states in a Presidential election, and 59% of the popular vote, obviously a massive Freedom Fighter.

putin won every province of russia and 64% of the popular vote in 2012, so by your logic he's an even bigger freedom fighter.

Only a completely uninformed individual would compare a Russian election with a U.S. election.

good point, the us has never had public webcams monitoring the election in every polling station.

[Mordecai]

HP, but I think people exaggerate when they say he was one of the worst.

[SWE]

The only thing this poll and commentary show is the extreme leftist bias on this forum.

I agree, what sort of extreme leftist would consider someone guilty of high treason, who took Saddam Hussein off of the international terrorists list, and helped create the Taliban, anything other than a fantastic president

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

These results are terrible. There's no way he's worse than some of the others right now.

A lot of people in this thread (excluding myself, regrettably) have been pretty explicit in their reasons for disliking Reagan, yet you keep repeating this as if nobody has. So tell us why, according to your evaluation, he's so unfairly judged.

Charisma is far more important than most people in this thread think. Part of being a good president, especially in modern times, is the ability to present yourself. See how Kennedy won in 1960 because of his charisma on television? (and thievery, but that's beside the point)

Why I think he's unfairly judged compared to Carter is that Carter was a failure. Like John Tyler, Carter had a perfect storm working for him, as a Dark Horse candidate who somehow managed to win. Carter did not get along with the rest of the government at all, because he was a major micro-manager who never concentrated on one thing. He talked down to his own party and was/is generally unlikeable, so he lost in 1980.

If Ronald Reagan was president from 1977-1980, he would have done much better. But this isn't about that time period. What makes Reagan different from Carter is that Reagan was less of an ass and more willing to work with, for better or worse. He had the charisma that could rival the 2008 Obama, and he never talked down to the nation like Carter did. He was also very funny and willing to self-deprecate in his humor, unlike the more serious Carter.

Go ahead and listen to that Challenger speech. Reagan made the country feel comforted despite the horrific events. Carter would have made us even more depressed. Reagan's voice and smile comforted us all.

His role in ending the Cold War is just as important. His work with other world leaders made the fall of the Berlin Wall and reunion of Germany possible, even if he wasn't president at that point.

Regardless of how and what else he did, these qualities alone place him above many of the presidents he is below right now. Reagan made the United States feel as great and powerful as it really was. The Great Communicator is easily one of the top 20 presidents of all time, and far better than failures like Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan.

It's true he may not have always done the best things (ignoring AIDS; questionable involvement in Ollie North's selling weapons to enemy countries), but he's no failure.

[Potatoe]

These results are terrible. There's no way he's worse than some of the others right now.

A lot of people in this thread (excluding myself, regrettably) have been pretty explicit in their reasons for disliking Reagan, yet you keep repeating this as if nobody has. So tell us why, according to your evaluation, he's so unfairly judged.

Charisma is far more important than most people in this thread think. Part of being a good president, especially in modern times, is the ability to present yourself. See how Kennedy won in 1960 because of his charisma on television? (and thievery, but that's beside the point)

OMG Kennedy totes stole the election! Whaddya mean Nixon was messing around in Illinois too? Nah,  It's was all Kennedy! (Sorry, I just can't stand it when people say that)

And being successful =/ Good President.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

These results are terrible. There's no way he's worse than some of the others right now.

A lot of people in this thread (excluding myself, regrettably) have been pretty explicit in their reasons for disliking Reagan, yet you keep repeating this as if nobody has. So tell us why, according to your evaluation, he's so unfairly judged.

Charisma is far more important than most people in this thread think. Part of being a good president, especially in modern times, is the ability to present yourself. See how Kennedy won in 1960 because of his charisma on television? (and thievery, but that's beside the point)

OMG Kennedy totes stole the election! Whaddya mean Nixon was messing around in Illinois too? Nah,  It's was all Kennedy! (Sorry, I just can't stand it when people say that)

And being successful =/ Good President.

Like I said, the election of 1960 is beside the point, and Texas was stolen too.

[Potatoe]

These results are terrible. There's no way he's worse than some of the others right now.

A lot of people in this thread (excluding myself, regrettably) have been pretty explicit in their reasons for disliking Reagan, yet you keep repeating this as if nobody has. So tell us why, according to your evaluation, he's so unfairly judged.

Charisma is far more important than most people in this thread think. Part of being a good president, especially in modern times, is the ability to present yourself. See how Kennedy won in 1960 because of his charisma on television? (and thievery, but that's beside the point)

OMG Kennedy totes stole the election! Whaddya mean Nixon was messing around in Illinois too? Nah,  It's was all Kennedy! (Sorry, I just can't stand it when people say that)

And being successful =/ Good President.

Like I said, the election of 1960 is beside the point, and Texas was stolen too.

You can't just steal 40,000 votes in Dallas.

But I do understand that it's beside the point.

[Oakvale]

These results are terrible. There's no way he's worse than some of the others right now.

A lot of people in this thread (excluding myself, regrettably) have been pretty explicit in their reasons for disliking Reagan, yet you keep repeating this as if nobody has. So tell us why, according to your evaluation, he's so unfairly judged.

Charisma is far more important than most people in this thread think. Part of being a good president, especially in modern times, is the ability to present yourself. See how Kennedy won in 1960 because of his charisma on television? (and thievery, but that's beside the point)

OMG Kennedy totes stole the election! Whaddya mean Nixon was messing around in Illinois too? Nah,  It's was all Kennedy! (Sorry, I just can't stand it when people say that)

And being successful =/ Good President.

You realise that you are arguing with a moron.

e: The KENNEDY STOLE TEH ELECTION nonsense has been debunked so often it's really not worth attempting to argue with someone who believes it. It's like arguing with a climate change denialist or someone who thinks the moon landing was faked.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Well at least the full post debunked the myth that I don't contribute.

[Oakvale]

Well at least the full post debunked the myth that I don't contribute.

No. The idea that writing a lot of garbage as opposed to merely a few sentences of garbage is "contributing" is a cancer on this forum.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Someone asked why I think Reagan is unfairly judged, and I answered him with a long post. How is that not contributing, cyberbully?

[Oakvale]

QUANTITY IS NOT == QUALITY. HOW IS THIS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND.

Dear God. You're a grown man. Stop being such a fiend.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Contribution has nothing to do with quality. Rochambeau contributed a lot, just not very good contributes of the white noise variety.

Also, why can't you see that you and Gully qualify as bullies? You're grown men too.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Why is this cretin still here?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Didn't Ray Gun have to have special cartoons made so that he could understand Pentagon policy?

[Oakvale]

Contribution has nothing to do with quality. Rochambeau contributed a lot, just not very good contributes of the white noise variety.

I...


I...

...just the worst. Just the worst.

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No, please explain how.

Actually don't bother, I'd continue this conversation but I'd literally rather take my own life.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The thing is, he's proud of being a complete moron. That's unusual. But appropriate for a thread discussing Reagan.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I'm not a moron and neither was Ronald Reagan.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Contribution has nothing to do with quality.

Jesus.

[Potatoe]

I'm not a moron and neither was Ronald Reagan.

Reagen happened to be a senile old man around the years of 1983-1989.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

After then as well.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

But considering the American political process, there is a certain dark logic to having a senile President.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I'm not a moron and neither was Ronald Reagan.

Reagen happened to be a senile old man around the years of 1983-1989.

No, he was mostly senile near the end. He talked to someone shorty after his term ended and he remembered everything.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Contribution has nothing to do with quality. Rochambeau contributed a lot, just not very good contributes of the white noise variety.

Also, why can't you see that you and Gully qualify as bullies? You're grown men too.

I think you're a victim in search of a bully here.  If you don't like them, ignore them.  Then you can carry on with your forum life.

But anyway RR was not a very good president when it came to the economy because I believe in fighting the good fight... not the bad one.