SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[TNF]

This amendment provides us with a recognition of the social rights first expanded upon in FDR's Second Bill of Rights speech. I'm going to go ahead and offer an amendment here to make the whole thing a little bit more legible and work out some of the kinks

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Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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[Lumine]

I do have a few comments on this. First of all, I believe you mean Article VI of the constitution (Article IV talks about our Regional Governments). In second place, I fundamentally view this as a very interesting piece of legislation, and I am specially supportive of the articles related to the environment and the marked opposition to discrimination on sexual grounds. That said, I had a lot of qualms about it back in the Senate race, and I stand by that now.

My main areas of concern are the life imprisionment abolishment, the right to vote for convicted felons, and some of the new articles (mainly 20 to 23, 25, 27, 31 and 36).

Going into detail:

-Life Imprisionment/Solitary Confinement: Believe by many to be some sort of "barbaric treatment", I have to say that I oppose this view. Not only it acts as a powerful deterrent (and in my opinion a much more effective one than the death penalty, which we don't have anyway), there are individuals that I believe are not suited to be released, regardless of the time or the amounts to therapy. I believe we shouldn't drop life imprisionment just for the sake of equality, and I also believe we should consider potential consequences of leaving the chance for the release of some criminals open.

-Right to Vote: All the other proposals in Section XIV are fine with me, but I am not very supportive of voting rights for convicted felons. I'm probably in the minority here, but I think some felons (unlike in January, I am not talking about all felons now) shouldn't be allowed to vote and be a candidate for public office.

-Articles 20-23: They look like good goals to me, but what worries me there are the consequences regarding unsolved issues like Health Care (which we are discussing right now) and Free Housing (which is not even discussed in the federal level, just in the South).

-Article 25: Would you mind explaining this one in further detail, TNF? I'm a little bit confused with the actual meaning of this one, specially "ownership".

-Article 27: This one seems to favor polygamy, so I am of course completely opposed to this one.

-Article 31: Just like 27, I am pro-life, so this one in nowhere near an acceptable compromise by any means.

-Article 36: Wasn't co-determination already rejected by the Senate shortly ago?

I may be forgetting a few details (and perhaps my criticism is wrong in more than a few days), but so far that is my take on this.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Talleyrand]

Isn't 36 a bit too open-ended? I would rather see some form of Co-Determination passed in a bill form.

[DC Al Fine]

I will not vote for any bill that promotes infanticide or bigamy.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has been adopted.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

an amendment:

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Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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[President Tyrion]

Do we need to put involuntary sterilization in the constitution?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sponsor?

[bore]

I support most of these ideas in principle (i.e. I think everyone has a right to an education) but I'm not sure I like the idea of tying them, especially as they're so open ended, into the constitution. I mean, what's a decent standard of living? Should everyone who wants to apply for a university course, or get a book, get it for free? Should I be able to claim a percentage of all the gold or silver or oil in the country?

In practice won't everything be decided by appointed, unelected judges who could use these amendments to do whatever they want?

[TNF]

Amendment is hostile.

Also, offering an amendment of my own:

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[Lumine]

I support Shua's amendment (although I would still make further changes), but I would insist that we have to fix the typo regarding Article IV (it should be VI).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Section XIII of Article VI of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Section XIV of Article VI of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Article VI of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows:

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Sponsor Feedback: Hostile
Status: A vote is now open on the above maenmdent, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Goldwater]

AYE

[Lumine]

Aye.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Aye

[President Tyrion]

Aye

I'm not sure I can support more than half of these, so that tips the scale. I could pick and choose a few, though.

[TNF]

Nay

[bore]

Aye

[Talleyrand]

Aye

I'd support nearly all of these if enacted via legislation, but many are not good fits on a constitutional amendment. 

[DC Al Fine]

Aye

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Nay.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

Vote on Amendment 60:17 by shua:

Aye (: bore, DC al Fine, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, shua, Talleyrand, and TyriontheImperialist
Nay (2): Alfred F. Jones and TNF
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

The amendment has been adopted.