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Union Convention: Vice President Arthur Sewall of Maine
 
#2
Union Convention: Governor Grover Cleveland of New York
 
#3
Union Convention: Senator James Blaine of Maine
 
#4
Union Convention: Senator Frederick Frelinghuysen of New Jersey
 
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Union Convention: Representative Henry F. Adams of Massachusetts
 
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Whig Convention: Governor Benjamin Harrison of Indiana
 
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Whig Convention: Representative James Weaver of Iowa
 
#8
Whig Convention: Senator Joseph E. Brown of Georgia
 
#9
Whig Convention: Senator Newton Booth of California
 
#10
Whig Convention: Representative Samuel Randall of Pennsylvania
 
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Whig Convention: Activist Walter M. Gibson of Nevada
 
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Radical Convention: Activist Walter M. Gibson of Nevada
 
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Radical Convention: Senator Joseph F. Smith of Illinois
 
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Radical Convention: Speaker John Ingalls of Kansas
 
#15
Radical Convention: Fmr. Governor Benjamin Butler of Massachusetts
 
#16
Radical Convention: Governor Benjamin Harrison of Indiana
 
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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2014, 02:13:07 PM »

I'd be up for whatever stops another Union president from being elected. It gets boring when those keep getting elected time and time again.

All right, then. Weaver/Smith if the Whigs get more votes and Smith/Weaver (or Harrison?) if the Radicals get more votes?

Also, I note that our parties are drifting closer and closer together in political views. Perhaps a merger is in order? The People's Party, perhaps?
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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2014, 08:16:19 PM »

By the way, Dallas, what sort of overseas exploration would Smith support?
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2014, 11:52:06 PM »

By the way, Dallas, what sort of overseas exploration would Smith support?

Probably something to do with Hawaii; in OTL he went on a mission to Hawaii and was heavily interested in it.
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2014, 10:56:37 AM »
« Edited: March 29, 2014, 10:58:37 AM by Alfred F. Jones »

By the way, Dallas, what sort of overseas exploration would Smith support?

Probably something to do with Hawaii; in OTL he went on a mission to Hawaii and was heavily interested in it.

I remember in Cath's original thing we went on a mission to find Atlantis. Would he be into that?

By the way, what Radical VP would you prefer if the Whigs get more votes (though as of now they are tied)? I'd support Weaver for VP if the Radicals get more votes. If they're tied after voting's over, I suppose we'd flip a coin or whatever.
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2014, 11:04:22 AM »
« Edited: March 29, 2014, 11:18:50 AM by Flawless Victory »

All liberal or socialist supporters of the Radical party, I implore you to support the Whigs in this one election.  Realistically, it is unlikely that the party will be able to win this election and Grover Cleveland must be kept out of office at all costs.

Or the Whigs could support the Radicals, who have gotten more support in the last three elections than the Whigs have.

Whilst that may be true, the Radicals are most certainly not the second choice for all Whigs.

Exactly my concern Sad

And side with a party that panders to xenophobes and racists (if I'm reading the part about the Weaver campaign correctly)?  I understand that to people in the Great Ivory Tower that racism against Hibernians, Sicillians, Poles, Czechs, and the great family of the oppressed "low criminal masses" is imaginary, but it isn't so quiet among those of us who hath toiled against the oppression of imperialist and crony capitalists for centuries!  We demand equal rights and privileges for the great poor and huddled masses, even if the Whig nationalistic plutocrats don't!  We demand the end of closed borders and opposition to the elitist plutocracy that Union and Whig politicians have foisted upon this country for ages.  We demand that the working class get equal and fair representation and that unionization be protected as a fundamental right of free speech.  We demand that the military arm of this country be restrained to the mere and moral duty of defending our borders and not be used as a means for empire.  THese are aims that can clearly be accomplished by a dedicated Radical, and not the grand compromising Whig whose ancestral bias against the foreign class immediately makes him suspect.

I cast my vote for Benjamin Butler!  A true hero and representative of the common man of all races, creeds, and sects of humanity!  Better to be the dead radical than the sniveling hypocritical coward!

EDIT: Redid post to fit in with the times, lol.
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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2014, 11:22:56 AM »

By the way, Dallas, what sort of overseas exploration would Smith support?

Probably something to do with Hawaii; in OTL he went on a mission to Hawaii and was heavily interested in it.

Guam and Cuba aren't distant possibilities either.
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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2014, 11:24:27 AM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2014, 11:29:23 AM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I think Spiral's picked the successful Union nominee each time.

EDIT: Perhaps not including the initial days when it was Adams vs Van Buren?
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2014, 11:32:04 AM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2014, 12:25:54 PM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.

I'm one of 5 or so people who actually vote for the Radicals pre-general election, so yeah, I'm probably the Radical boss.

As for the Radical VP for a Whig-Radical unity ticket, I'd prefer Smith, though I could go for Ingalls in a pinch.
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2014, 02:39:38 PM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.

I'm one of 5 or so people who actually vote for the Radicals pre-general election, so yeah, I'm probably the Radical boss.

As for the Radical VP for a Whig-Radical unity ticket, I'd prefer Smith, though I could go for Ingalls in a pinch.

You were a Radical before there were Radicals. You're unquestionably the boss.

And I don't think Smith and Weaver would get along well at all, so I think we should go with either Smith/Harrison or Weaver/Ingalls (though you obviously have final say over the latter), and it's looking like it'll be the former with Mecha's recent vote.
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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2014, 04:36:49 PM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I think Spiral's picked the successful Union nominee each time.

EDIT: Perhaps not including the initial days when it was Adams vs Van Buren?
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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2014, 05:40:50 PM »
« Edited: March 29, 2014, 05:50:05 PM by Zioneer »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.

I'm one of 5 or so people who actually vote for the Radicals pre-general election, so yeah, I'm probably the Radical boss.

As for the Radical VP for a Whig-Radical unity ticket, I'd prefer Smith, though I could go for Ingalls in a pinch.

You were a Radical before there were Radicals. You're unquestionably the boss.

And I don't think Smith and Weaver would get along well at all, so I think we should go with either Smith/Harrison or Weaver/Ingalls (though you obviously have final say over the latter), and it's looking like it'll be the former with Mecha's recent vote.

True, I'm a Manifester/Radical through and through. I'm the Bawsh.

Anyway, I'd prefer Smith/Harrison or Harrison/Smith, though I guess Harrison/Butler could work. If Harrison pledges to run and govern as a Radical (which will be helped by Ingalls being Speaker), then we might have a couple more choices...

EDIT: Oh, and in a formal merger of Whigs and Radicals, I'd prefer something with a bit more zing to it than the People's Party (though that is a good suggestion). Maybe a Laborer's Party.
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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2014, 07:21:34 PM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.

I'm one of 5 or so people who actually vote for the Radicals pre-general election, so yeah, I'm probably the Radical boss.

As for the Radical VP for a Whig-Radical unity ticket, I'd prefer Smith, though I could go for Ingalls in a pinch.

You were a Radical before there were Radicals. You're unquestionably the boss.

And I don't think Smith and Weaver would get along well at all, so I think we should go with either Smith/Harrison or Weaver/Ingalls (though you obviously have final say over the latter), and it's looking like it'll be the former with Mecha's recent vote.

True, I'm a Manifester/Radical through and through. I'm the Bawsh.

Anyway, I'd prefer Smith/Harrison or Harrison/Smith, though I guess Harrison/Butler could work. If Harrison pledges to run and govern as a Radical (which will be helped by Ingalls being Speaker), then we might have a couple more choices...

EDIT: Oh, and in a formal merger of Whigs and Radicals, I'd prefer something with a bit more zing to it than the People's Party (though that is a good suggestion). Maybe a Laborer's Party.

Does the Progressive Labor Party sound good?

And I think that we should go with Smith/Harrison seeing as Smith won.
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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2014, 09:37:39 PM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.

I'm one of 5 or so people who actually vote for the Radicals pre-general election, so yeah, I'm probably the Radical boss.

As for the Radical VP for a Whig-Radical unity ticket, I'd prefer Smith, though I could go for Ingalls in a pinch.

You were a Radical before there were Radicals. You're unquestionably the boss.

And I don't think Smith and Weaver would get along well at all, so I think we should go with either Smith/Harrison or Weaver/Ingalls (though you obviously have final say over the latter), and it's looking like it'll be the former with Mecha's recent vote.

True, I'm a Manifester/Radical through and through. I'm the Bawsh.

Anyway, I'd prefer Smith/Harrison or Harrison/Smith, though I guess Harrison/Butler could work. If Harrison pledges to run and govern as a Radical (which will be helped by Ingalls being Speaker), then we might have a couple more choices...

EDIT: Oh, and in a formal merger of Whigs and Radicals, I'd prefer something with a bit more zing to it than the People's Party (though that is a good suggestion). Maybe a Laborer's Party.

Does the Progressive Labor Party sound good?

And I think that we should go with Smith/Harrison seeing as Smith won.

Hmm... Progressive Labor sounds a bit like a British party rather than an American party, so probably not. What about a party name referencing railroads and exploration, as that seems to be popular in both parties?

And Smith/Harrison it is, if dallas is letting me flex my power as a party boss.
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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2014, 09:39:09 PM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.

I'm one of 5 or so people who actually vote for the Radicals pre-general election, so yeah, I'm probably the Radical boss.

As for the Radical VP for a Whig-Radical unity ticket, I'd prefer Smith, though I could go for Ingalls in a pinch.

You were a Radical before there were Radicals. You're unquestionably the boss.

And I don't think Smith and Weaver would get along well at all, so I think we should go with either Smith/Harrison or Weaver/Ingalls (though you obviously have final say over the latter), and it's looking like it'll be the former with Mecha's recent vote.

True, I'm a Manifester/Radical through and through. I'm the Bawsh.

Anyway, I'd prefer Smith/Harrison or Harrison/Smith, though I guess Harrison/Butler could work. If Harrison pledges to run and govern as a Radical (which will be helped by Ingalls being Speaker), then we might have a couple more choices...

EDIT: Oh, and in a formal merger of Whigs and Radicals, I'd prefer something with a bit more zing to it than the People's Party (though that is a good suggestion). Maybe a Laborer's Party.

Does the Progressive Labor Party sound good?

And I think that we should go with Smith/Harrison seeing as Smith won.

Hmm... Progressive Labor sounds a bit like a British party rather than an American party, so probably not. What about a party name referencing railroads and exploration, as that seems to be popular in both parties?

And Smith/Harrison it is, if dallas is letting me flex my power as a party boss.

The Explorationist Party sounds stupid. How about the Greater America Party, or GAP?
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« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2014, 09:49:53 PM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.

I'm one of 5 or so people who actually vote for the Radicals pre-general election, so yeah, I'm probably the Radical boss.

As for the Radical VP for a Whig-Radical unity ticket, I'd prefer Smith, though I could go for Ingalls in a pinch.

You were a Radical before there were Radicals. You're unquestionably the boss.

And I don't think Smith and Weaver would get along well at all, so I think we should go with either Smith/Harrison or Weaver/Ingalls (though you obviously have final say over the latter), and it's looking like it'll be the former with Mecha's recent vote.

True, I'm a Manifester/Radical through and through. I'm the Bawsh.

Anyway, I'd prefer Smith/Harrison or Harrison/Smith, though I guess Harrison/Butler could work. If Harrison pledges to run and govern as a Radical (which will be helped by Ingalls being Speaker), then we might have a couple more choices...

EDIT: Oh, and in a formal merger of Whigs and Radicals, I'd prefer something with a bit more zing to it than the People's Party (though that is a good suggestion). Maybe a Laborer's Party.

Does the Progressive Labor Party sound good?

And I think that we should go with Smith/Harrison seeing as Smith won.

Hmm... Progressive Labor sounds a bit like a British party rather than an American party, so probably not. What about a party name referencing railroads and exploration, as that seems to be popular in both parties?

And Smith/Harrison it is, if dallas is letting me flex my power as a party boss.

The Explorationist Party sounds stupid. How about the Greater America Party, or GAP?

GAPists sound kind of dumb. Hmm... How about the Pioneer Party? Though I'd be up for just calling ourselves Populists if no better option comes up.
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« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2014, 10:12:16 PM »

So who are this forum's party bosses? I can imagine Zioneer and Alfred being party bosses for the Radicals, but who else?

I used to be the Whig boss, but now I'm just a non-Union boss.

I'm one of 5 or so people who actually vote for the Radicals pre-general election, so yeah, I'm probably the Radical boss.

As for the Radical VP for a Whig-Radical unity ticket, I'd prefer Smith, though I could go for Ingalls in a pinch.

You were a Radical before there were Radicals. You're unquestionably the boss.

And I don't think Smith and Weaver would get along well at all, so I think we should go with either Smith/Harrison or Weaver/Ingalls (though you obviously have final say over the latter), and it's looking like it'll be the former with Mecha's recent vote.

True, I'm a Manifester/Radical through and through. I'm the Bawsh.

Anyway, I'd prefer Smith/Harrison or Harrison/Smith, though I guess Harrison/Butler could work. If Harrison pledges to run and govern as a Radical (which will be helped by Ingalls being Speaker), then we might have a couple more choices...

EDIT: Oh, and in a formal merger of Whigs and Radicals, I'd prefer something with a bit more zing to it than the People's Party (though that is a good suggestion). Maybe a Laborer's Party.

Does the Progressive Labor Party sound good?

And I think that we should go with Smith/Harrison seeing as Smith won.

Hmm... Progressive Labor sounds a bit like a British party rather than an American party, so probably not. What about a party name referencing railroads and exploration, as that seems to be popular in both parties?

And Smith/Harrison it is, if dallas is letting me flex my power as a party boss.

The Explorationist Party sounds stupid. How about the Greater America Party, or GAP?

GAPists sound kind of dumb. Hmm... How about the Pioneer Party? Though I'd be up for just calling ourselves Populists if no better option comes up.

Meh, I'm not a fan of naming ourselves after current issues - the party will probably stick around for a while after the pioneers all die. I think the People's Party is the best route to take, although that's just my opinion.
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« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2014, 10:13:57 PM »

BTW, I support running Bryan/Debs or Bryan/Roosevelt in 1896 and 1900 (assuming, of course, Smith and Harrison serve two terms). It'd be every progressive's wet dream.
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« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2014, 10:27:56 PM »

BTW, I support running Bryan/Debs or Bryan/Roosevelt in 1896 and 1900 (assuming, of course, Smith and Harrison serve two terms). It'd be every progressive's wet dream.

Perhaps, but they won't be the only candidates...

Also, Populists/People's Party sounds good to me, if we can't decide on any other party name.
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« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2014, 10:43:11 PM »

BTW, I support running Bryan/Debs or Bryan/Roosevelt in 1896 and 1900 (assuming, of course, Smith and Harrison serve two terms). It'd be every progressive's wet dream.

Perhaps, but they won't be the only candidates...

Also, Populists/People's Party sounds good to me, if we can't decide on any other party name.

It shall be our fallback choice, though I do agree that we need something more interesting. The New Freedom Party? The Progressive Party? The Progressive People's Freedom Labor Party?  The New Nationalists (referencing both the National Party and TR's New Nationalism)?
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« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2014, 01:32:04 AM »

BTW, I support running Bryan/Debs or Bryan/Roosevelt in 1896 and 1900 (assuming, of course, Smith and Harrison serve two terms). It'd be every progressive's wet dream.

Perhaps, but they won't be the only candidates...

Also, Populists/People's Party sounds good to me, if we can't decide on any other party name.

It shall be our fallback choice, though I do agree that we need something more interesting. The New Freedom Party? The Progressive Party? The Progressive People's Freedom Labor Party?  The New Nationalists (referencing both the National Party and TR's New Nationalism)?

I'd like something more.. poetic, but New Nationalists could work. Are there any other progressive thinkers from the era that we could reference?
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« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2014, 09:53:52 AM »

1. You guys are assuming that TR is automatically going to line up with all these others that are of entirely different flavors than he.

2. I prefer the party name "People's Republicans" when it comes to whatever #TrueLeftist group rises from the ashes. Thoughts?
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« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2014, 10:38:09 AM »

People's Republicans sounds decent, but what about calling it the Reform Party. Now, I know that this term has often been associated with right-wing parties (e.g in New Zealand and Canada) but it has a nice ring to it, and avoids the problems of pinning the party down to a particular ideology or grouping (as something like 'Labour' would).
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« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2014, 11:47:36 AM »

"People's Republic of America" sounds weird, and we did already have a Republican party that turned racist. Perhaps the People's Democrats? We've never had a Democratic party before.
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