could the immigration hardliners and the open borders types agree

[freepcrusher]

on this compromise legislation I would support? The rule would be that all eleven million will be legalized, but  birthright citizenship will be abolished for anyone born after 2015, and all potential legal immigrants after 2015 will be required to take a wonderlic test with a minimum score of 26 necessary to become a citizen.

[Maxwell]

I don't think abolishing birthright citizenship is the right way to go.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Abolishing birthright citizenship isn't a good idea for me, and conditioning citizenship on a the Wonderic Test is pretty absurd and would lead to disastrous consequences, because it would preclude young children from immigrating.

Plus, legalizing the illegal immigrants already here is a terrible idea that essentially indicates that the future law likely won't be enforced anyway.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I could see having birthright nationality rather than birthright citizenship, or some other similar change that doesn't unduly punish people for the immigration crimes of their parents while at the same time serving to eliminate the overhyped phenomenon of "anchor babies" and thus eliminate that as an excuse to avoid real immigration reform.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It seems like with this issue it is always compromise tradiing one bad idea for another, that then gets labeled a good idea.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

You have like the weirdest f#cking ideas, dude.

[dead0man]

It's better than what will end up happening.

[Adam Griffin]

Borders aren't going to stop it. Amnesty or the lack thereof isn't going to stop it. Forcibly deporting or arresting people isn't going to solve it. The only way you stop it is to attack the root cause of the problem, which, like most things in this country, is greedy business people.

Institute a universal, no-exception fine (say, $100,000-$200,000 per instance) for businesses that are caught hiring undocumented citizens in this country. We have eVerify, so there are no excuses.

If Wal-Mart gets caught hiring undocumented workers, they get fined that amount per instance. If Joe Schmoe gets caught hiring undocumented workers, then his small business or sole proprietorship gets fined the same amount per instance. If they can't pay it, then you seize any and all assets until the amount is paid in full, liquidating them if necessary.

When you take away the financial incentive for businesses and people to do this sort of thing (by effectively cancelling out anywhere from 10-30 years of cost savings, which is far longer than the average time period that virtually any business would have undocumented help on their payroll), hiring of undocumented workers will stop. When that occurs, illegal immigration grinds to a halt. People don't come here for the welfare - they come here to work, and because they know they can find work. Romney was stupid to phrase it the way he did, but this is about as close and effective to "self-deportation" as you can get.

[Cory]

I don't think abolishing birthright citizenship is the right way to go.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

freepcrusher what are you doing

freepcrusher stahp

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Ultimately, the real problem is that Republicans don't trust Obama. No deal can be worked out until 2017 at the earliest, and even then the far right will drag its feet if it can.

[Mechaman]

What the hell kind of "compromise" is it if we abolish part of the Fourteenth Amendment?  Birthright Citizenship is one of the things that we are better at than most other countries.

[Ebowed]

birthright citizenship will be abolished for anyone born after 2015

Complete non-starter.

[SWE]

This is a terrible proposal

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What the hell kind of "compromise" is it if we abolish part of the Fourteenth Amendment?  Birthright Citizenship is one of the things that we are better at than most other countries.

Arguably birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens isn't part of the Fourteenth Amendment.  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."  Since their parents were not here legally, the parents are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States any more than diplomats or other non-immigrant visitors are.

Now it is the case that US citizenship law has continuously provided for birthright citizenship, as well as citizenship for the children of US citizens who were temporarily outside the US on business, but that isn't something guaranteed by the Fourteenth.  What is guaranteed is that the children of legal immigrants born here in the US will be citizens regardless of the citizenship status of the their parents either at the time of their birth or later.

[Хahar 🤔]

I don't think enough people appreciated the fact that someone seriously proposed using the Wonderlic test to determine citizenship status.

[Del Tachi]

What the hell kind of "compromise" is it if we abolish part of the Fourteenth Amendment?  Birthright Citizenship is one of the things that we are better at than most other countries.

[ElectionsGuy]

This is a terrible proposal

[MurrayBannerman]

What the hell kind of "compromise" is it if we abolish part of the Fourteenth Amendment?  Birthright Citizenship is one of the things that we are better at than most other countries.

Arguably birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens isn't part of the Fourteenth Amendment.  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."  Since their parents were not here legally, the parents are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States any more than diplomats or other non-immigrant visitors are.

Now it is the case that US citizenship law has continuously provided for birthright citizenship, as well as citizenship for the children of US citizens who were temporarily outside the US on business, but that isn't something guaranteed by the Fourteenth.  What is guaranteed is that the children of legal immigrants born here in the US will be citizens regardless of the citizenship status of the their parents either at the time of their birth or later.

I think a Resolution clarifying this would be a step in the right direction.