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« on: March 31, 2014, 03:41:31 PM »

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In accordance with the Pacific Emergency Stimulus, a joint decision must be posted in the Fantasy Government thread before the end of April.  As of the first, $15b more is available to spend.
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2014, 01:26:52 PM »

Checking in. Looking forward to a, er, free and open exchange of ideas. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2014, 07:19:45 PM »

I have a big infrastructure plan.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 12:03:23 PM »

I would support spending also for a greener Pacific, maybe also creating new, green jobs with it.
I will post a detailed plan when I have time, which won't be before tomorrow.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2014, 12:54:19 PM »

Let's not forget the Pacific's horrendous anti-growth tax structure.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2014, 01:46:01 PM »

I can't speak for Cinci, Flo or Gov. DemPGH but I'd certainly be more than happy to hear input from people outside of the committee. Smiley

Let's not forget the Pacific's horrendous anti-growth tax structure.

Actually, the Governor and the Council passed a significant reform to our tax code earlier this year.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 02:30:33 PM »

Let's not forget the Pacific's horrendous anti-growth tax structure.

Yes, I dictated to themwe fixed that before we gave them the first half of the money. Don't worry. I'm not that incompetent.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2014, 02:50:39 PM »

Could we spend 2-3 billion on infrastructure improvements? New road ways, bridges etc etc.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2014, 02:57:20 PM »

Could we spend 2-3 billion on infrastructure improvements? New road ways, bridges etc etc.

Basically, we won't veto anything as long as it's good for the region. Nation building projects would be fine because it would benefit the region and create jobs.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2014, 03:32:34 PM »

Could we spend 2-3 billion on infrastructure improvements? New road ways, bridges etc etc.

Certainly, I think infrastructure improvement is a valuable use of stimulus funds.  Just keep in mind the costs of improvement, as 2-3b is not as much as it seems.  We really do need to focus on periodically solving the regions long-term problems over the next three installments of stimulus. 

Governor Dempgh made some excellent points regarding his plans (eg. drought, business investment which can be accomplished in many ways, ect).  This installment is 15b though, so we need to prioritize how we spend it in order to receive the most positive results. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 03:48:08 PM »
« Edited: April 02, 2014, 04:10:44 PM by DemPGH »

Checking in, of course. If nothing else, I think what can come out of this is some clear map of where we're actually supposed to go. I really think we need to do that. I'm very direct, so if we hammer out a roadmap, it then becomes a matter of making it happen. And I / we can do that.

If we have to write separate bills, we will prioritize them, but maybe we should pass a kind of omnibus bill (that would be simpler, but it may take a little while to draft) that allocates the spending.
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 07:26:40 PM »

Checking in, of course. If nothing else, I think what can come out of this is some clear map of where we're actually supposed to go. I really think we need to do that. I'm very direct, so if we hammer out a roadmap, it then becomes a matter of making it happen. And I / we can do that.

If we have to write separate bills, we will prioritize them, but maybe we should pass a kind of omnibus bill (that would be simpler, but it may take a little while to draft) that allocates the spending.

I would prefer an omnibus bill, yes.  The method in which we accomplish a final draft, that the four of us must vote on, is up to you.  If you want to push it through the council to get their approval first, I will need to put a deadline on submission, because we still need time here to make it agreeable/passable.  The best option, I think, would be for the region to draft an initial proposal here, in which we can spend our time ironing out the details.
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2014, 05:22:58 AM »

I do support an "ominous" bill. Let me know what you'll need from me.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2014, 10:30:02 AM »
« Edited: April 04, 2014, 02:44:49 PM by DemPGH »

Good. Omnibus or a "package" style bill is the way to go.

So let's start here - Cinci, your PM is acknowledged.

Mudslide ($50 Million):
$40 Million: Mudslide clean-up
$10 Million: Property damage assistance
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2014, 10:54:49 AM »

I hadn't even seen the tax reform. That's excellent. I bet the region has seen some great progress since that was enacted.


I would suggest a regimen of investment credits and sales tax rebate for starters. Anything to spur investment and boost economic activity. If you get economic activity going, that'll boost your long-term tax revenues and that could finance an infrastructure program.

I would be willing to develop some more specific policy prescriptions if people would want them, however I'm confident that the current structure of decision making is a solid one. Let me know if anyone wants some pro-growth sentiment injected into the conversation.
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2014, 02:49:34 PM »

I'll try to come up with some drought relief numbers tonight if I get a chance or surely tomorrow.

When we're set, I think this should take the structure of I, II, III, IV, etc., and then handle each issue in turn. The level of detail will probably depend. I don't think we need to do an audit Tongue but some idea of where the money is going in some detail would be helpful.
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2014, 03:28:38 PM »

I'll try to come up with some drought relief numbers tonight if I get a chance or surely tomorrow.

When we're set, I think this should take the structure of I, II, III, IV, etc., and then handle each issue in turn. The level of detail will probably depend. I don't think we need to do an audit Tongue but some idea of where the money is going in some detail would be helpful.

Yeah, I think that structure will be fine.  The amount of detail is going to depend on how exactly we're allocating this money.  If you want to work on a rough draft through PMs or other means with oakvale, myself, both, ect, we can do that. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2014, 04:07:00 PM »

IRL, California allocated 687 million dollars for drought relief.

So, I'll propose 1.5 billion dollars for drought relief - vegetable, animal, water, food, and instruction on ways to conserve water all appear to be useful expenditures. Sound reasonable?

I'll be PMing a couple people in infrastructure.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2014, 07:56:10 PM »

This committee will begin the finalization process of the Pacific regions stimulus outline tomorrow.  A joint deliberation must be reached within the month.
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2014, 07:57:16 PM »

Let's get to it. I'm interested to see the progress being made here. I'm happy with what the governor and legislature are doing. Good work, guys!
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2014, 08:07:27 PM »

I'm going to edit it all together into one post tomorrow morning, but it's all there. When we're done, the Pacific will be a beacon for small business, infrastructure improvements, and a shining example of technological and scientific innovation!
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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2014, 08:17:26 PM »

I can't wait to award you all an Atlasian gold star for your hard work. Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2014, 08:18:17 PM »

I can't wait to award you all an Atlasian gold star for your hard work. Cheesy

Funny, you said the same thing when I agreed to bottom.
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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2014, 08:20:08 PM »

I can't wait to award you all an Atlasian gold star for your hard work. Cheesy

Funny, you said the same thing when I agreed to bottom.

Just wait, I have tons of stars to toss around, just like the dollars you toss at strippers every Saturday night...
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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2014, 04:18:48 PM »

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This is the Pacific proposal.  Let's get moving on this so we can sign off within the next couple days.
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