Left Front

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

As a founding member, former presidential nominee of, and former senator elected under the Labor Party, I have honestly become quite disillusioned with my old party. Once one of several parties (and the most left-wing major one) formed after the dissolution, Labor has grown to be the most powerful party in Atlasian politics. Much legislative success, or at least agitation, has been accomplished by Comrade TNF.

And yet I feel the party has lost its soul, concerned more with self-preservation than playing the game. To elect a senator for a two-week term, the party resorted to last-minute tactical voting en masse to sabotage what would be a victory of my friend Simfan, who for all our disagreements is a good friend and a proud servant of Atlasia. Despite a decent platform, it remains a party with no firm ideological core, and one which like all big and rotten parties is full of zombie voters. Thus, despite my long history with a once-great party, I have chosen to split.

The Atlasian Left Front seeks to revitalize the left, and ultimately the game, from this rut. Like many have suggested, it will support key institutional reforms to the game, if not starting from a clean slate and a new constitution outright. From this new point, the Left Front will advocate for a truly democratic Atlasia, workers' control of the means of production and public ownership of services, and ultimately an Atlasia where every citizen contributes to the nation and every citizen feeds from the fruits of their labor. It rejects the corrupt, self-serving nature of the existing parties and believes that the game will be best if we place more value on cooperation and policy making and less on churning out electoral victory at any cost.

I invite any Atlasian citizen who supports these goals to support the Left Front, for a free and socialist Atlasia and a better game for all.

Battons le fer quand il est chaud.

-Snowstalker, Founder and provisional Chairman of the Left Front

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

u mad bro

[Simfan34]

I inspired a socialist party? Not every day that happens.

[Maxwell]

I liked more of what you had to say than I thought you would.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

My term's three weeks, not two weeks. And how can you say that a party that almost (but not quite) supported TNF's platform - the platform of a man with a far lower E score than you - is insufficiently left-wing? I don't recall Napoleon being a major force within the Labor Party; what you're doing is (forgive the indulgence in fantasy here) saying the Democrats are right-wing because of Evan Bayh - literally the Tea Party of the Atlasian left.

[DemPGH]

LOL, no. I mean, fwck no.

I liked more of what you had to say than I thought you would.

Well yeah! It's a splinter in the left? Hahaha.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

A few points, Mr. Senator-elect:

1. >implying that PM scores mean anything
2. Despite a substantial left wing, the party establishment outside the nominal platform remains broadly social-democratic (see all our presidents).
3. Once again, the splitting is not merely on an ideological basis, but because I believe Labor has become a corrupt establishment party machine rather than an invigorating party of the left that it should be if the game is to be fun rather than a chore.

[Maxwell]

LOL, no. I mean, fwck no.

I liked more of what you had to say than I thought you would.

Well yeah! It's a splinter in the left? Hahaha.

Well, the part about strategical voting for self-preservation. Not like anyone's going to join Snowstalker's left wing crusade, but it's a fair point.

[Napoleon]

My term's three weeks, not two weeks. And how can you say that a party that almost (but not quite) supported TNF's platform - the platform of a man with a far lower E score than you - is insufficiently left-wing? I don't recall Napoleon being a major force within the Labor Party; what you're doing is (forgive the indulgence in fantasy here) saying the Democrats are right-wing because of Evan Bayh - literally the Tea Party of the Atlasian left.

Snowstalker didn't say anything about me and I doubt he is referring to me at a.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

A few points, Mr. Senator-elect:

1. >implying that PM scores mean anything
2. Despite a substantial left wing, the party establishment outside the nominal platform remains broadly social-democratic (see all our presidents).
3. Once again, the splitting is not merely on an ideological basis, but because I believe Labor has become a corrupt establishment party machine rather than an invigorating party of the left that it should be if the game is to be fun rather than a chore.

1. Then why do we have them? Why do you display yours in your profile thing?
2. Is social democracy not left-wing?
3. Labor invigorates me. Labor is fun. I enjoy Labor. The game wouldn't be the same without Griffin and everything that comes with him.

My term's three weeks, not two weeks. And how can you say that a party that almost (but not quite) supported TNF's platform - the platform of a man with a far lower E score than you - is insufficiently left-wing? I don't recall Napoleon being a major force within the Labor Party; what you're doing is (forgive the indulgence in fantasy here) saying the Democrats are right-wing because of Evan Bayh - literally the Tea Party of the Atlasian left.

Snowstalker didn't say anything about me and I doubt he is referring to me at a.

It's a well-known fact that you're not exactly the most left-wing of posters, and your joining of the party caused some grumblings in our ranks, so I assumed that was one of Snowstalker's beefs (not necessarily you but the apparent (to him at least) rightward trend in the party). I apologize for any mistakes.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I was referring to the left in respect to Labor. Its "right wing" is social democrats and progressives, and its "left wing" consists of various stripes of socialists.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

My term's three weeks, not two weeks. And how can you say that a party that almost (but not quite) supported TNF's platform - the platform of a man with a far lower E score than you - is insufficiently left-wing? I don't recall Napoleon being a major force within the Labor Party; what you're doing is (forgive the indulgence in fantasy here) saying the Democrats are right-wing because of Evan Bayh - literally the Tea Party of the Atlasian left.

The term is not yours Alfred it's Senator Deus.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

My term's three weeks, not two weeks. And how can you say that a party that almost (but not quite) supported TNF's platform - the platform of a man with a far lower E score than you - is insufficiently left-wing? I don't recall Napoleon being a major force within the Labor Party; what you're doing is (forgive the indulgence in fantasy here) saying the Democrats are right-wing because of Evan Bayh - literally the Tea Party of the Atlasian left.

The term is not yours Alfred it's Senator Deus.

The term is mine. Have you looked at the votes?

[Adam Griffin]

Did the Party become a "corrupt establishment party machine" as well as "big and rotten" in the past two weeks, between the time you told me you were going to run under its banner for Senate again and today?

And to think I actually defended the notion of you returning to the Senate...

[Napoleon]

My term's three weeks, not two weeks. And how can you say that a party that almost (but not quite) supported TNF's platform - the platform of a man with a far lower E score than you - is insufficiently left-wing? I don't recall Napoleon being a major force within the Labor Party; what you're doing is (forgive the indulgence in fantasy here) saying the Democrats are right-wing because of Evan Bayh - literally the Tea Party of the Atlasian left.

The term is not yours Alfred it's Senator Deus.

The term is mine. Have you looked at the votes?

Can the votes be found in Leviticus?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

My term's three weeks, not two weeks. And how can you say that a party that almost (but not quite) supported TNF's platform - the platform of a man with a far lower E score than you - is insufficiently left-wing? I don't recall Napoleon being a major force within the Labor Party; what you're doing is (forgive the indulgence in fantasy here) saying the Democrats are right-wing because of Evan Bayh - literally the Tea Party of the Atlasian left.

The term is not yours Alfred it's Senator Deus.

The term is mine. Have you looked at the votes?

Can the votes be found in Leviticus?

I think Numbers would be more appropriate.

[windjammer]

You're really a childish person Snowtalker. Just because you have had a clash with Alfred Jones.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Did the Party become a "corrupt establishment party machine" as well as "big and rotten" in the past two weeks, between the time you told me you were going to run under its banner for Senate again and today?

And to think I actually defended the notion of you returning to the Senate...

I fully admit that part of the final impetus for splitting was a (perceived) personal snub, but moreover I had withheld a lot of my own concerns about the party that I've had for at least several months, and given the ideological difference and attitude towards the game that I have vis a vis Labor, I felt being a splitter was the best choice.

[Adam Griffin]

Did the Party become a "corrupt establishment party machine" as well as "big and rotten" in the past two weeks, between the time you told me you were going to run under its banner for Senate again and today?

And to think I actually defended the notion of you returning to the Senate...

I fully admit that part of the final impetus for splitting was a (perceived) personal snub

From Alfred or from myself? I hope it wasn't because we didn't run you in the special...not running you in the special =/= not going to run you in the regular at-large. You simply couldn't win a one-seat national race.

[TNF]

>complains about Labor's tactics
>never actually discusses tactics, party business, or much of anything in #Labor

Enjoy your one-man Vanity Front

[bore]

Relevant.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Whenever I showed up to #labor there was no one or almost no one there, which I'll say is an unfortunate coincidence. Perhaps I could have or should have voiced my concerns about the party's machinery early, but perhaps you'll see the loss of a founding member as a wakeup call to reform internally and support a radical restructuring of Atlasia as we know it.

[Хahar 🤔]

The only actual stated issue with Labor that I can identify in this thread is that it worked to elect one of its own members instead of Simfan. I guess that it makes sense that support for a candidate to the right of the party would precipitate a right-wing defection from the party.

[DC Al Fine]

I always wondered when Labor would suffer a split.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I always wondered when Labor would suffer a split.

It's not a split so much as Gabe the Babe,
Who craves attention more than life itself,
Requesting that we humor sagery
And bitter whining from a man who can't
Sit back, relax, and just enjoy the game
Instead of stirring trouble up without
A reason that it has to be stirred up.