In the twilight of Poppy's life, politicians and parties wrestle with his legacy

[Indy Texas]

25 years after he was sworn in as the 41st president, George H. W. Bush's legacy has advocates and critics in likely and unlikely places...

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[Del Tachi]

So?  Republicans ditch Bush 41 like normal Democrats (read: non-Atlas Forum Democrats) ditch Carter.  No one wants to be associated with a one-termer from your own party. 

H.W. Bush enjoys some moderate following among Democrats because he's a moderate hero. 

[Mordecai]

So?  Republicans ditch Bush 41 like normal Democrats (read: non-Atlas Forum Democrats) ditch Carter.  No one wants to be associated with a one-termer from your own party. 

H.W. Bush enjoys some moderate following among Democrats because he's a moderate hero. 

Lol. Since when are non-fundamentalist conservatives moderate? Bush 41 was not a Moderate Hero, it's more of a case of Democrats regretting calling him out for signing a tax increase considering what (and who) came after.

[Marnetmar]

moderate hero. 

Go away.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

He was a lousy President. The worst ever, except for his son.

He started a war, wrecked the economy, and presided over unspeakable human rights abuses in America.

[Badger]

He was a lousy President. The worst ever, except for his son.

He started a war, wrecked the economy, and presided over unspeakable human rights abuses in America.

How'd that war turn out, btw?

And what "unspeakable human rights abuses" are you blathering on about?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

And what "unspeakable human rights abuses" are you blathering on about?

The discrimination and right-wing concentration camps that flourished under his misrule.

[Badger]

And what "unspeakable human rights abuses" are you blathering on about?

The discrimination and right-wing concentration camps that flourished under his misrule.

Okay, against all better judgment i'll ask.

What discrimination "flourished" during those years, compared to say Reagan's second or Clinton's first terms, and how did Bush 41 help engender it? By signing DOMA into law? Oh wait....

And oh Lord I need to know: WTF "right-wing concentration camps" is your fevered deliusional mind creating?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

What discrimination "flourished" during those years, compared to say Reagan's second or Clinton's first terms, and how did Bush 41 help engender it?

The worsening persecution against progressives.

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The teen confinement racket.

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What discrimination "flourished" during those years, compared to say Reagan's second or Clinton's first terms, and how did Bush 41 help engender it?

The worsening persecution against progressives.

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The teen confinement racket.

What the hell is a "teen confinement racket?"  My Bandit-to-English translator is off today.

[Badger]

What discrimination "flourished" during those years, compared to say Reagan's second or Clinton's first terms, and how did Bush 41 help engender it?

The worsening persecution against progressives.

What?!? Seriously, WHAT??

And oh Lord I need to know: WTF "right-wing concentration camps" is your fevered deliusional mind creating?

The teen confinement racket.

Good point, considering juvenile detention centers didn't exist before 1989. Amarite?

Again, WTF are you trying to say through your rudimentary grasp of language? WTF are you talking about, and how does any of your "points" have jack-all to do with the first Bush presidency?

Please, enlighten us.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Not to mention the fact that the right-wing media stole the "election" for Bush in '88.

[Badger]

Not to mention the fact that the right-wing media stole the "election" for Bush in '88.

Don't change the subject, genius. We're still discussing the "worsening prosecution against progressives" and "right wing concentration camps" aka "the teen confinement racket".

Pray, explain how either of these: a) existed during the Bush 41 presidency; and b) how Bush supposedly contributed to either.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Pray, explain how either of these: a) existed during the Bush 41 presidency; and b) how Bush supposedly contributed to either.

I was alive in those years, and they did exist. He made it worse, largely through his cronies that controlled local governments.

He also exacerbated the War on Drugs, which encouraged right-wing school officials to call students stoners and druggies even though they were totally clean.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

He also blocked a minimum wage increase, which cost me and other young people at the time.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

We have long memories in the Rust Belt.

[Badger]

Pray, explain how either of these: a) existed during the Bush 41 presidency; and b) how Bush supposedly contributed to either.

I was alive in those years, and they did exist. He made it worse, largely through his cronies that controlled local governments.

He also exacerbated the War on Drugs, which encouraged right-wing school officials to call students stoners and druggies even though they were totally clean.

I'm 5 years older than you and, hence, also was alive then. You were in high school. What "discrimination against progressives" did you or any of your classmates suffer? Student council elections rigged by the CIA?

So he at worst maintained the War on Drugs from the Reagan years. That caused people to get teenagers to get called stoners and....oooohhhh, I see. Channelling a bad personal experience from the wonder years I take it.

That's truly a shame if you were wrongly accused of being a druggie while in fact being "totally clean". But in fairness, can you blame teachers for such an easy mistake? I mean, do you listen to what you say? What else could they reasonably assume? 

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Bandit is truly among our finest posters.

[Badger]

Bandit is truly among our finest posters.

Exhibit A of proving everything I typed above.

[Cory]

Hand-waving the ongoing argument, I would just say that I think Bush Sr. was uniquely capable of handling American foreign policy during the fall of the USSR. Even his decision not to march to Baghdad during the Gulf War was influenced by a desire to not be seen as taking advantage of the decline of the USSR to create an "American Empire". IIRC he even offered for a Soviet force to join the UN forces in liberating Kuwait.

[Del Tachi]

So?  Republicans ditch Bush 41 like normal Democrats (read: non-Atlas Forum Democrats) ditch Carter.  No one wants to be associated with a one-termer from your own party. 

H.W. Bush enjoys some moderate following among Democrats because he's a moderate hero. 

Lol. Since when are non-fundamentalist conservatives moderate? Bush 41 was not a Moderate Hero, it's more of a case of Democrats regretting calling him out for signing a tax increase considering what (and who) came after.

The fact that Bush 41 is a non-fundamentalist Republican in 2014 posits him on the extremely moderate wing of his own party, and Democrats would of course love him for that.

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He's still a HP even if he looks better than his spawn.

[Mordecai]

So?  Republicans ditch Bush 41 like normal Democrats (read: non-Atlas Forum Democrats) ditch Carter.  No one wants to be associated with a one-termer from your own party. 

H.W. Bush enjoys some moderate following among Democrats because he's a moderate hero. 

Lol. Since when are non-fundamentalist conservatives moderate? Bush 41 was not a Moderate Hero, it's more of a case of Democrats regretting calling him out for signing a tax increase considering what (and who) came after.

The fact that Bush 41 is a non-fundamentalist Republican in 2014 posits him on the extremely moderate wing of his own party, and Democrats would of course love him for that.

Which everyone should admit is a terrible thing. The inmates are running the asylum.

[Heimdal]

People like Grover Norquist and Matt Kibbe have no business criticizing George H. W. Bush. His Election in 1988 is of today the last of the Republican landslide victories. Their Republicanism is one that is incapable of winning elections (and incapable of governing), which alienates large sections of the people.

George H.W. Bush is a decent man, who did a good job as President. When it comes to foreign policy, he is probably one of the best American Presidents of the last 40 years. I don’t know enough about his record on domestic policy. It is however clear that his administration was competent. The people who aspire to the Republican nomination in 2016 have a lot to learn from his administration in that respect.

It was probably inevitable that George H. W. Bush would be seen as a failure. The same way that Carter is viewed as an incompetent tax-and-spend liberal. I think that view is flawed. Both men were fundamentally competent, but were dragged down by a bad economy, their own parties and lost to political operators like Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

[Hamster]

Bandit is truly among our finest posters.

Exhibit A of proving everything I typed above.

Badger, are you not a moderator? Why feed the troll?