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« on: April 05, 2014, 11:55:51 AM »
« edited: April 05, 2014, 12:01:38 PM by cope1989 »

The Hasidic capital of America!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York

Some stats:
 -youngest median age of any town of its size in the US
-highest poverty rate in the nation
-40% on food stamps
-89% of residents speak Yiddish at home
-Has one of the only religious based school districts in America
-Welcome sign has a community dress code for visitors

Shining example of religious freedom or hasidic hellhole?




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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2014, 12:04:53 PM »

Hell on Earth. Utter nightmare, just like those FLDS communities out west. I'd encourage anyone unfortunate enough to be born there to GET THE F[INKS] OUT as soon as possible. Especially the women.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2014, 12:06:54 PM »
« Edited: April 05, 2014, 12:10:12 PM by cope1989 »

They want to expand!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2FaX8No8V4

Honestly, the whole community seems unsustainable. They want to double the size, and probably the population in a very short time, but with the poverty rate so high and a large proportion of residents being children, they won't have the tax base or revenue to maintain their city services and eventually the county and the state of New York will get sick of keeping them afloat.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2014, 12:16:02 PM »

It's nice that the Yiddish language is still being preserved somewhere.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2014, 04:45:37 PM »

Hell on Earth. Utter nightmare, just like those FLDS communities out west. I'd encourage anyone unfortunate enough to be born there to GET THE F[INKS] OUT as soon as possible. Especially the women.

This basically.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2014, 05:32:23 PM »
« Edited: April 05, 2014, 06:22:41 PM by asexual trans victimologist »

It seems pretty unpleasant. 'Hellhole' is really a bit much, as is the comparison to the FLDS. Surely there's a better way to preserve the Yiddish language somewhere.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2014, 05:50:22 PM »

Not really the sort of place that I'd like to live in, but I've no problem with it.

I think also that some of you have an unrealistically dark picture of existence there based on those statistics. So let me be the one to point out that Hasids are not stupid and that while they don't much like the modern world (can't really blame them for that, given certain events) they are more than capable of working out how to use the state to their advantage. It isn't really the poorest place in America, it is only statistically so.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2014, 06:51:51 PM »

Holy hell, the town went 92% McCain!
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2014, 07:27:24 PM »

Not really the sort of place that I'd like to live in, but I've no problem with it.

I think also that some of you have an unrealistically dark picture of existence there based on those statistics. So let me be the one to point out that Hasids are not stupid and that while they don't much like the modern world (can't really blame them for that, given certain events) they are more than capable of working out how to use the state to their advantage. It isn't really the poorest place in America, it is only statistically so.

In short, they are crooks.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2014, 08:02:22 PM »

Not really the sort of place that I'd like to live in, but I've no problem with it.

I think also that some of you have an unrealistically dark picture of existence there based on those statistics. So let me be the one to point out that Hasids are not stupid and that while they don't much like the modern world (can't really blame them for that, given certain events) they are more than capable of working out how to use the state to their advantage. It isn't really the poorest place in America, it is only statistically so.

In short, they are crooks.

In 1994, the NY state legislature went against a Supreme Court ruling to give Kyrias Joel its own school district for mentally handicapped children. But since most of the kids don't go to public schools the town just used the funds for the all powerful community synagogue.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2014, 08:03:16 PM »


real 'merica.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2014, 10:04:57 PM »

High poverty...high welfare usage...refusal to speak English or assimilate into American culture...

Why aren't Republicans frothing at the mouth over this place on Fox News? These people are basically doing what conservatives are convinced that all Hispanic/Muslim/Asian immigrants do.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2014, 10:21:26 PM »

High poverty...high welfare usage...refusal to speak English or assimilate into American culture...

Why aren't Republicans frothing at the mouth over this place on Fox News? These people are basically doing what conservatives are convinced that all Hispanic/Muslim/Asian immigrants do.

4 main differences:

1. They're white
2. Traditional Values (dress code, pressured to reproduce)
3. They vote heavily for republicans (see above post)
4. Religious schools
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2014, 10:29:39 PM »

Wouldn't want to live there myself, but i have no quarrel with the place.

I think also that some of you have an unrealistically dark picture of existence there based on those statistics.

Also this.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2014, 10:58:21 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2014, 11:10:19 PM »

High poverty...high welfare usage...refusal to speak English or assimilate into American culture...

Why aren't Republicans frothing at the mouth over this place on Fox News? These people are basically doing what conservatives are convinced that all Hispanic/Muslim/Asian immigrants do.
Yeah...going after Jews (Hasidic or otherwise) isn't going to go down well, for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2014, 11:18:36 PM »

High poverty...high welfare usage...refusal to speak English or assimilate into American culture...

Why aren't Republicans frothing at the mouth over this place on Fox News? These people are basically doing what conservatives are convinced that all Hispanic/Muslim/Asian immigrants do.

4 main differences:

1. They're white
2. Traditional Values (dress code, pressured to reproduce)
3. They vote heavily for republicans (see above post)
4. Religious schools

So being a mooching 47 Percenter who feels entitled to government help and won't care for their lives is fine as long as you're white and conform to Judeo-Christian values and vote for the right party?
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2014, 12:11:01 AM »
« Edited: April 06, 2014, 12:19:28 AM by cope1989 »

High poverty...high welfare usage...refusal to speak English or assimilate into American culture...

Why aren't Republicans frothing at the mouth over this place on Fox News? These people are basically doing what conservatives are convinced that all Hispanic/Muslim/Asian immigrants do.

4 main differences:

1. They're white
2. Traditional Values (dress code, pressured to reproduce)
3. They vote heavily for republicans (see above post)
4. Religious schools

So being a mooching 47 Percenter who feels entitled to government help and won't care for their lives is fine as long as you're white and conform to Judeo-Christian values and vote for the right party?

Yes, it's really that simple for the fox news crowd.

Although I will say that the residents do seem like good people who are just looking for a place to practice their extremely unique religion. The problem I have is that they seem to expect the government to subsidize their way of life and even give them special considerations, which is not cool in my opinion. The Amish don't ask for as much from what I hear.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2014, 06:50:38 AM »

3. They vote heavily for republicans (see above post)

Sometimes they also vote heavily for Democrats. Hasids have a very practical attitude to elections, think it's fair to say.
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2014, 08:25:08 AM »
« Edited: April 06, 2014, 08:28:34 AM by Hnv1 »

A modern Shtetl...I wouldn't underestimate Hassidic "Socialism" (far from it but it's a nice term here)...charity is pretty big in those communities and they have no problems sustaining mass population in poverty through their inner community (community in this sense extends the boundaries of Kiryat Joel and stratch to the entire Hassidic Jewishdom). I assure you there is not a single empty fridge in that town, every kid has shoes and cloths, and everyone is taken care of education wise.

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This. hassidic approach to politics and the affairs of the "Goys" is not something easy to explain to western people (I can hardly understand them and I know their culture pretty well).
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2014, 05:30:17 PM »


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This. hassidic approach to politics and the affairs of the "Goys" is not something easy to explain to western people (I can hardly understand them and I know their culture pretty well).

I'm not sure what you mean, there is nothing particularly complicated about "we will vote for those who will give us more stuff".
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2014, 03:19:38 AM »


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This. hassidic approach to politics and the affairs of the "Goys" is not something easy to explain to western people (I can hardly understand them and I know their culture pretty well).

I'm not sure what you mean, there is nothing particularly complicated about "we will vote for those who will give us more stuff".
That's a very simplistic view of a concept that is built upon a "tradition" of over 1200 years rooted in religious writing
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2014, 07:48:44 AM »


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This. hassidic approach to politics and the affairs of the "Goys" is not something easy to explain to western people (I can hardly understand them and I know their culture pretty well).

I'm not sure what you mean, there is nothing particularly complicated about "we will vote for those who will give us more stuff".
That's a very simplistic view of a concept that is built upon a "tradition" of over 1200 years rooted in religious writing

What complexity is being missed by that description?

For what it's worth, while you can trace Jewish scholarship pretty far back, Hasidism only goes back a few centuries and Hasidic participation in a democracy is strictly a post-WWII phenomenon.
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2014, 11:23:08 AM »


They allow this, but not Occupy?
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2014, 11:51:48 AM »


Occupy doesn’t need to expand anymore. With all the Occupy stuff going on, Texas and Tennessee will be in play in 2016. 
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