SENATE BILL: Amendment to the Paid Leave Act of 2013 (Law'd)

[bore]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 60:57 by TNF:

Aye (2): Alfred F. Jones and TNF
Nay (: bore, DC al Fine, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, shua, Talleyrand and TyriontheImperialist.
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

THe amendment has failed.

What now?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Does anyone have a fix to section 3 that takes into account what happens if the parents can't come to an arrangement between them as to how to share the paid leave? 

[Cincinnatus]

Are we done with this?..

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Does anyone have a fix to section 3 that takes into account what happens if the parents can't come to an arrangement between them as to how to share the paid leave? 

What do mean exactly? I am not sure if I understand what you mean by "share the paid leave"?

Are you talking abotu divorced parents?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Does anyone have a fix to section 3 that takes into account what happens if the parents can't come to an arrangement between them as to how to share the paid leave? 

What do mean exactly? I am not sure if I understand what you mean by "share the paid leave"?

Are you talking abotu divorced parents?

Section 3, clause 3, says that parents share their 500 days paid leave. I think that means that it is 500 days per child.  It just seems like if you had parents who are divorced or aren't cooperating it could be a contentious issue as to who is using up the paid leave.

Another issue: could someone get a job, have a few children, get paid leave for a few years, and hardly ever work there at the job before moving on to another job?

[TNF]

It means 500 days per child. I'm sure the Courts could handle that far better than we could.

I frankly don't care about the second concern, for a few reasons (1) being the fact that it seems like an attempt to derail this thread and curtail the benefit itself and (2) because I trust the public to make the right decision here. And you know what, if they do what you're describing - so what? It's not as if we don't give free-rides in this country to big business all the time. Nothing wrong with giving the possibility of one for regular folks.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It means 500 days per child. I'm sure the Courts could handle that far better than we could.

Ok, for that the law will need to provide the courts with a clear role.

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Do you think an employer will be just as likely to hire someone who is expecting to have kids in this situation?   Don't you see how this would likely lead to subtle discrimination?

btw, Yankee.  "200 hours" in 4.1 is also a change in the bill.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So an amendment providing for courts to resolve it as part of custody hearings then?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

So an amendment providing for courts to resolve it as part of custody hearings then?

Yes, that would make sense.  Do you have any ideas on good language for that?   
I do think there's some cases where the paid leave issue could cause problems even when custody is not an issue, but I guess there may not be any good solution to that except to let people figure out it themselves.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Not particularly shua, I wish I could be of more help but I know very little about this. It has been seven years since I took Family Law as a college level elective in high school and I know little about how to structure a statute on this matter.

Duke would probably have a better knowledge if he has taken courses on the matter, but of course he is rather unavailable right now.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Ok, I don't think I'm going to be able to come up with anything on that front, so I won't hold this up if we want to move to a final vote.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Motion to move to a final vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A Final Vote is now open on the underlying legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

AYE

[DC Al Fine]

Aye

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Aye.

[Lumine]

Aye.

[bore]

Aye

[Goldwater]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE


You end this Cincy unless someone votes nay, then 24 hours need to be called.

[TNF]

Aye

[Cincinnatus]

Vote on Final Passage of Amendment to the Paid Leave Act of 2013:

Aye [8]:  TNF, Yankee, Goldwater, bore, Lumine, Alfred, DC al Fine, and shua
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): Adam Griffin, and Tyrion

Having eight votes in the affirmative, and none in opposition, this bill passes and is sent to the President for Executive Decision.

[Cincinnatus]

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