Ontario 2014 (June 12th)

[lilTommy]

Today's roundup.

Star says Horwath's bumbling, compares her to Ford on populism and gravy train.

Boy the Toronto Star is really in "campaign mode" now - Regg Cohn in particular doesnt even make the slightest pretence to being fair - his columns literally read like they were ghost written by the Liberal war room. This is such a total hatchet job on Andrea Horwath - big deal if she didn't have a bus for the first two of the unofficial campaign. Ontario election writs are dropped on Wednesday's and I'm sure the NDP was caught slightly off-guard by Wynne announcing the election last Friday - 5 days before it could legally start - in the overall scheme of things - so what? Then he goes on to accuse Horwath of not saying how she would pay for her promises - well fair enough but his beloved Kathleen Wynne just brought in a budget with BILLIONS of dollars worth of expensive commitments and no way to pay for any of them other than jacking up the deficit - that doesn't seem to bother him at all.

I went on a huge rant about his factual errors... (Andrea did use the incorrect verbage but quickly corrected herself about the transit P3s) also saying the NDP wants a scarborough subway is incorrect since on record the NDP has prioritized the Relief line then electrification of Pearson-Union... and that he has failed to call out Wynne for her Budget like you mention which is missing, oh i don't know more then half the funds it needs to pay for it.
Also Wynne's new add against the NDP has a bold lie (NDP doesn't support ORPP).. in fact it was an NDP idea, and the only parties ever to have voted against it was the OLP and PCs.

[RogueBeaver]

+1000, the Star's being itself as usual. More examples: Harper allegedly "smirking" in their private meeting on pensions... with Wynne herself as the source. Or Grit scandals being no big deal in Trin-Spa.

[DC Al Fine]

+1000, the Star's being itself as usual. More examples: Harper allegedly "smirking" in their private meeting on pensions... with Wynne herself as the source.

And people think Sun is bad

[RogueBeaver]

From Paikin: Wynne mentioned Harper 562 (!) times in her Ottawa stump speech today. Mentioned her real opponents once.

[DC Al Fine]

From Paikin: Wynne mentioned Harper 562 (!) times in her Ottawa stump speech today. Mentioned her real opponents once.

Reminds me of Paulina Marois during the debates

[Hatman 🍁]

+1000, the Star's being itself as usual. More examples: Harper allegedly "smirking" in their private meeting on pensions... with Wynne herself as the source.

And people think Sun is bad

It is. Us poor dippers have no newspaper to read

[Citizen Hats]

+1000, the Star's being itself as usual. More examples: Harper allegedly "smirking" in their private meeting on pensions... with Wynne herself as the source.

And people think Sun is bad

It is. Us poor dippers have no newspaper to read

The Daily Worker's still publishing aren't they?

[mileslunn]

There is the Georgia Straight in BC. Besides the TorStar is more about defeating the PC's so if the NDP pulls ahead of the Liberals they will change their tune quickly. They did endorse the NDP last federal election.

[Hatman 🍁]

There is the Georgia Straight in BC. Besides the TorStar is more about defeating the PC's so if the NDP pulls ahead of the Liberals they will change their tune quickly. They did endorse the NDP last federal election.

I know; I went out and bought the newspaper for a keepsake.

[Hatman 🍁]

Some riding polls conducted by Oracle:

Sudbury:
NDP: 31.8
Lib: 26
PC: 15.2
Grn: 2.5
Undecided: 24.4

Sault Ste. Marie:
Lib: 27.5
NDP: 20.3
PC: 11.6
Grn: 4.3
Undecided: 36.2

No surprises. Cue Al with his concerns about local polling blah blah blah

[Citizen Hats]

Some riding polls conducted by Oracle:

Sudbury:
NDP: 31.8
Lib: 26
PC: 15.2
Grn: 2.5
Undecided: 24.4

Sault Ste. Marie:
Lib: 27.5
NDP: 20.3
PC: 11.6
Grn: 4.3
Undecided: 36.2

No surprises. Cue Al with his concerns about local polling blah blah blah

im told its hard to poll rural route addreses

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The record of constituency polling is not good, I understand.

[MaxQue]

Some riding polls conducted by Oracle:

Sudbury:
NDP: 31.8
Lib: 26
PC: 15.2
Grn: 2.5
Undecided: 24.4

Sault Ste. Marie:
Lib: 27.5
NDP: 20.3
PC: 11.6
Grn: 4.3
Undecided: 36.2

No surprises. Cue Al with his concerns about local polling blah blah blah

im told its hard to poll rural route addreses

Does Sudbury and SSM have many rural people? Both are mostly urban.

[RogueBeaver]

I usually agree with Ivison but not this time. I don't think the sort of folks he mentions need any prompting from Wynne on Harper hatred.

[RogueBeaver]

Has anyone heard of Oracle? Anyways, the topline is 42/31/25.

[RogueBeaver]

I know Salutin's a True Leftist, but he's either unhinged, senile or both here. Calls Horwath a right-wing populist like Harris, Thatcher or Ford. Saw something similar in Rabble earlier this week.

[mileslunn]

Anybody have a list of what ridings the leaders have visited?  I've noticed from watching past elections, what ridings the leaders visit is often a good indication of where things are close as the party's have more detailed internal polls.

[RogueBeaver]

The Globe's election blog has a daily itinerary.

[Hatman 🍁]

Some riding polls conducted by Oracle:

Sudbury:
NDP: 31.8
Lib: 26
PC: 15.2
Grn: 2.5
Undecided: 24.4

Sault Ste. Marie:
Lib: 27.5
NDP: 20.3
PC: 11.6
Grn: 4.3
Undecided: 36.2

No surprises. Cue Al with his concerns about local polling blah blah blah

im told its hard to poll rural route addreses

Does Sudbury and SSM have many rural people? Both are mostly urban.

Not really, no. One problem with rural areas is that rural postal codes often span multiple ridings making it hard to determine which riding they're in.

[RogueBeaver]

Today's itinerary.


Hudak to unveil deficit plan today.

[Hatman 🍁]

The Star has now become a self parody: http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/05/08/andrea_horwaths_rightwing_populism_salutin.html

[DC Al Fine]

The Star has now become a self parody: http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/05/08/andrea_horwaths_rightwing_populism_salutin.html

Rick Salutin's column appears Friday is almost certainly on the OLP payroll.

[RogueBeaver]

That's not Grit hackery but True Leftism. (Which I posted yesterday ) I can think of an example where political reporters were literally on the governing party's payroll, but not in Ontario.

[RogueBeaver]

Pink slips and running shoes: Hudak promises to downsize the civil service by 10%, or 100000 jobs.

[RogueBeaver]

From Tim Murphy's Twitter feed. Nice to see that Team Dithers hasn't changed their love of self-parody in the past 8 years. "Hudak Helper" is their new anti-Horwath slogan.